Was it a wrong move to fold on the flop?

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pokerstars Game #5394757240: Tournament #26991554, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level III (15/30) - 2006/06/28 - 18:42:07 (ET)
Table '26991554 467' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Tyessak47 (1240 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: Ripken26 (875 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: jmm23 (3318 in chips)
Seat 4: ib6sheb9 (1334 in chips)
Seat 5: lht3 (5127 in chips)
Seat 6: t1riel (820 in chips)
Seat 7: sprki78 (1305 in chips)
Seat 8: diezel1980 (4110 in chips)
Seat 9: Jjai16 (855 in chips) is sitting out
lht3: posts small blind 15
t1riel: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to t1riel [8d 3c]
sprki78: folds
Ripken26 has returned
diezel1980: folds
Jjai16: folds
Tyessak47: folds
Ripken26: calls 30
jmm23: folds
ib6sheb9: folds
lht3: calls 15
t1riel: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s Qs 2d]
lht3: bets 90
t1riel: folds
Ripken26: calls 90
*** TURN *** [8s Qs 2d] [3h]
lht3: bets 120
Ripken26: calls 120
*** RIVER *** [8s Qs 2d 3h] [3d]
lht3: bets 210
Ripken26: folds
lht3 collected 510 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 510 | Rake 0
Board [8s Qs 2d 3h 3d]
Seat 1: Tyessak47 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ripken26 folded on the River
Seat 3: jmm23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ib6sheb9 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: lht3 (small blind) collected (510)
Seat 6: t1riel (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: sprki78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: diezel1980 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Jjai16 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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Standard.

If the turn-river had come, say 7h-Kd, would you be posting this? :)
 
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Dorkus Malorkus said:
Standard.

If the turn-river had come, say 7h-Kd, would you be posting this? :)

Still, I am curious as to what members think about calling a fairly small bet with second pair. I folded a crap load yesterday when I kept betting second pair would get re-raised and then fold. I was spewiing chips and some general advice in this area would be nice.
 
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I would definatly call.. only few hands to worry about are Q,3.. 88's, and 2's... this guy was either betting on a Queen with K.Q... A,Q why he didn't raise pre flop with that is crazy... but I would have called with a fullhouse that is like 4th-5th hand from here.

However I would have folded on the flop after his bet cause the 3 kicker would be smashed by any person holding a much much better kicker not to mention the Q destroys your 8.
 
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Tim, obviously you've got 3 options here - fold, call or raise.

You could have called to see an extra card (would have to have been a 3 or an 8 so you haven't got correct pot odds at the moment, but if you thought you could double up this could be an option), but you've not really got much room to manouvre with just 800 chips, and there is a player still to act behind you, who could re-raise, so I dont think this is a calling situation.

You could raise instead (my choice), to see if the initial bettor has got a Q or is just continuation betting - by raising you're pot committing so if he has got Q and re-raises, you'll need to call and hope.

Or you could fold.

Of course, if you're asking whether or not you should fold middle pair because it could turn into a full house, then that's a stupid question!
 
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Lo-Dog said:
Still, I am curious as to what members think about calling a fairly small bet with second pair. I folded a crap load yesterday when I kept betting second pair would get re-raised and then fold. I was spewiing chips and some general advice in this area would be nice.

Folding second pair no kicker when bet into in a tiny unraised pot is standard for me. Why bother getting involved? If he is betting with hands that even second pair no kicker can beat then I'll find plenty of better spots against him.
 
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I think u made the right decision.

U don`t say, or u don`t say if u found out the big stack was bluffing.

\For me, with the chip stack u had, I would have save the chips 4 a better hand.

Chip leader might have been bullying, but he could have had pkt QQ, Q8, 88, 22, Q2, 82, etc.

I would wait until Chip leader trys the same when u have the nuts (or at least top pair and good kicker) then try to frighten him with a big or all in bet. If he calls and u r out, so be it. He might at that stage get the message.

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Please, don't post what came on the turn. If you're interested in the decision on the flop, it's only detrimental to find out what came next.
 
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