Did I play this hand wrong?

dwbrown7680

dwbrown7680

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In my eyes, the 6's should never have been around to see the river at all, especially with bets, raises and what not going on.....should I have just pushed on the turn or something? Even then I think i'm still getting 2-3 callers, this tourny is unbelievable......

pokerstars Game #12065396999: Tournament #60473541, $5+$0 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/09/15 - 00:58:37 (ET)
Table '60473541 7' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: jmack1986 (3075 in chips)
Seat 2: ROMDOM82 (2870 in chips)
Seat 3: betbrett (3615 in chips)
Seat 4: Latteott (4250 in chips)
Seat 5: royalrobert (4565 in chips)
Seat 6: dwbrown7680 (8490 in chips)
Seat 7: ozman669 (1200 in chips)
Seat 8: LACCIO (4180 in chips)
Seat 9: jupiter 1929 (4040 in chips)
ozman669: posts small blind 15
LACCIO: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dwbrown7680 [5s 5h]
jupiter 1929: calls 30
jmack1986: calls 30
ROMDOM82: folds
betbrett: folds
Latteott: calls 30
royalrobert: raises 60 to 90
dwbrown7680: calls 90
ozman669: calls 75
LACCIO: calls 60
jupiter 1929: calls 60
jmack1986: calls 60
Latteott: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [9s 5c 7c]
ozman669: checks
LACCIO: bets 30
jupiter 1929: calls 30
jmack1986: calls 30
Latteott: raises 30 to 60
royalrobert: folds
dwbrown7680: raises 180 to 240
ozman669: calls 240
LACCIO: calls 210
jupiter 1929: calls 210
jmack1986: calls 210
Latteott: calls 180
*** TURN *** [9s 5c 7c] [4s]
ozman669: bets 90
LACCIO: calls 90
jupiter 1929: calls 90
jmack1986: calls 90
Latteott: raises 90 to 180
dwbrown7680: raises 620 to 800
ozman669: folds
LACCIO: calls 710
jupiter 1929: calls 710
jmack1986: folds
Latteott: calls 620
*** RIVER *** [9s 5c 7c 4s] [6s]
LACCIO: checks
jupiter 1929: checks
Latteott: bets 120
dwbrown7680: calls 120
LACCIO: calls 120
jupiter 1929: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Latteott: shows [7h 9h] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
dwbrown7680: shows [5s 5h] (three of a kind, Fives)
LACCIO: shows [6h 6d] (three of a kind, Sixes)

LACCIO collected 5810 from pot
dwbrown7680 said, "rofl"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5810 | Rake 0
Board [9s 5c 7c 4s 6s]
Seat 1: jmack1986 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: ROMDOM82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: betbrett folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Latteott showed [7h 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Sevens
Seat 5: royalrobert folded on the Flop
Seat 6: dwbrown7680 (button) showed [5s 5h] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 7: ozman669 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: LACCIO (big blind) showed [6h 6d] and won (5810) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 9: jupiter 1929 folded on the River
 
pedroman7

pedroman7

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With that flop and the way the table seems to be playing, you have to worry about someone slow-playing a straight. You also have to worry about someone drawing to the straight or a flush. So it is a hard judge if you push or slow down. With that flop and and that many people calling I would be scared. I think you should have push harder on the flop but slowed down on the turn if all those people called.
 
reglardave

reglardave

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On a flop that was basically rags, you left the 6s an invitation to stay in by not making a preemptive bet. My guess is you were hoping to "milk" your bottom set for additional value, and that's ok, although the texture of the flop tends to argue against it, with strong flush (and straight) potential. On the turn, villain had the open end straight draw pn a board that was still basically rags, meaning he still had decent reason to believe his 6s might still be best, so once again, a BIG push might have driven him off. But your basically 1/3 pot size rause actually priced him into a call since at that point he's getting about 4.5 to 1 on his money, with lots of out cards. Don't know what the dude leading with the pansy bet on the river had, but obviously you were all worried about straights against you at that point, so it was really pointless.

So, did you play it wrong? Not terribly, but trying to play cagey with bottom set against that texture of flop can be risky, and you got burned.
 
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Dindek

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i think not bad but,,, when you saw 9 5 7(straight possible) - and all in, 66 i think will fold, other will call only when (straight or 1 card to str..:) i dont like to lose in last card:)
 
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DanJust

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Yes, I think so!

You should have fold your hand.
:eek:
 
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illinifaninpa

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I agree with part of the above statements. You definitely should have made a reraise preflop to show that you had possibly a better starting hand espcially with your chip stack. It could have put the sixes in a position to fold with a reraise. He or she probably thought that you were just trying to bully after the flop to put you off the hand. Better luck next time.
 
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I think the only mistake you might have made was on the flop. This hand is incredible enough with 7 players seeing the flop, but what's really crazy is that 6 of those saw the turn on a raggedy flop.

I understand that you tried to get value from your set and really there is nothing wrong with that, but it's not an ideal spot with 7 players in this pot on a board that has some danger with SD and FD. You were last to act and pot was 780 when action came to you on the flop. There was a check, min bet, call, call, minraise, and fold prior to you acting. I think your raise here (180) is way too small compared to the size of the pot. With your 240 total bet the pot is now 1020 and the first player is getting 5 to 1 to call and if he does the others get even better and so forth. Even inside straight draws call at that price at these levels.

Trust me, I really understand that you tried to maximize value on your set and I basically do the same thing with a set, at times I'm willing to take the risk of getting outdrawn in order to make the most I can. In this situation though, in a pot that started 7-handed and only one fold when it's your turn to act, you have to put in a big raise to try to shorten the field, if not almost any card on the turn is a scare card with all those players and hands still around.

What I really hate about this hand is that I feel that a big raise to around 900 on that flop would have folded those 6's and the guy with 97 would likely end up sending his whole stack, or most of it, to you on the turn. So it really would have made a huge difference.

Better luck next time, it sucks to lose with a set, that I do know.
 
thebigeasy59

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i agree with Joe, On the flop I pop it up to at least 700 if not more. With 7 guys in the pot, I'm not betting bottom set for value, I'm trying to narrow it down to 1 or 2 opponents. In addition, anyone calling a big raise has to have either an over pair, two pair, or something like A9cc, as anything better than that (straight, overset) probably moves it all in. A big reraise on the flop definitely gets rid of the 66, and in some cases promotes the 97 to move in and be drawing to 4 outs.
 
OzExorcist

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Wow - they just didn't want to go away, did they...

I might've bet the flop a little harder to narrow the field some - with your stack, you can afford to and now that the pot is over 700, it's giving pretty much everyone the right odds to draw at straights and flushes. You want to push some of them out of the hand. Somewhere around the 600 mark might have been more in order?

The pre-flop bet probably needs to be looked at too - three times the big blind isn't much with three limpers in the pot and the blinds to act. You're probably not going to clear enough of them away to get into a race type situation, so maybe just a call to see what you hit would be in order.

All that said, three of them still hung around when you bet harder on the turn...

So I hate to say it, but maybe a passive line wouldn't have been such a bad idea here. If you just call it down to the river, you'll get away cheaper if you end up being second best, still take a decent sized pot if you are best, and most importantly, you'll still be the chip leader in either case.
 
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maltz

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There are too many people in the pot and who knows what they have! It is too dangerous to invest money unless you know you are the absolute favorite. In this case, you have the bottom set and a lot of hands are good against you. Just follow the cheap raise flow and hope the board becomes paired.
 
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