I hate QQ

[dg1267]

Should I have bet more here on the river? All in? I was a little scared due to the fact that my pp Q's have been getting beat up by pp K's recently. Was my flop call right?


Hand #57144780-29 at 220pm6Kqual-002 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Started at 21/Sep/08 15:00:55

acrawley is at seat 0 with 8075.
BoSoxandPats0 is at seat 1 with 11540.
icurcardz is at seat 2 with 14225.
poker_rookie is at seat 3 with 2600.
Bullridr121 is at seat 4 with 11890.
ohno udidnt is at seat 5 with 9350.
dcrys1979 is at seat 6 with 11810.
bluemax135 is at seat 8 with 10745.
Xtremewife33 is at seat 9 with 5265.
The button is at seat 8.

Xtremewife33 posts the small blind of 75.
acrawley posts the big blind of 150.

acrawley: -- --
BoSoxandPats0: -- --
icurcardz: -- --
poker_rookie: -- --
Bullridr121: -- --
ohno udidnt: -- --
dcrys1979: Qc Qh
bluemax135: -- --
Xtremewife33: -- --

Pre-flop:

BoSoxandPats0 calls. icurcardz folds. poker_rookie
calls. Bullridr121 raises to 825. ohno udidnt
calls. dcrys1979 calls. bluemax135 folds.
Xtremewife33 folds. acrawley folds. BoSoxandPats0
folds. poker_rookie folds.

Flop (board: 2d Kh 7c):

Bullridr121 bets 900. ohno udidnt folds. dcrys1979
calls.

Turn (board: 2d Kh 7c Qs):

Bullridr121 checks. dcrys1979 bets 4800.
Bullridr121 calls.

River (board: 2d Kh 7c Qs 9s):

Bullridr121 checks. dcrys1979 bets 2500.
Bullridr121 calls.



Showdown:

dcrys1979 shows Qc Qh.
dcrys1979 has Qc Qh Kh Qs 9s: three queens.
Bullridr121 mucks cards.
(Bullridr121 has Kd Tc.)


Hand #57144780-29 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
dcrys1979 wins 19400 with three queens.

 

[holdempro15]

well at least you won the pot, and yeah i think you shouldve bet more on the river

 

[bobphilallo]

I dont know why you're complaining you still won about 20000. Be happy with what you have. But yeah you shouldve bet maybe 1.5 times what you bet on the river.

 

[robertmcpokster]

i here ya the QQ has done me wrong too but not this time i just triple stacked with a full1 queens full of sevens

 

[diamond_06_06]

Personally I would have raised it preflop myself to somewhere near 2,400. As it stood your call (brining the pot to 3,000) gave all of the limpers almost 4.5 to 1 odds to call. It was fortunate that they all folded anyway.

You asked if your flop call was OK. Yes I would have called also.

Because ...
1. You could be still in front. Villian could very well have the hand he is representing (a pair of kings with a good kicker), but he could also just be c-betting the flop with a lower pair than your Q's or even just 2 paint cards that missed the flop.

2. If villian does in fact have the king, the pot is still laying 4.3 to 1 odds to call (3900 - 900). He still also has over 10,000 in his stack. I would believe that if you hit your third Q you would be able to get most of that 10,000 into the pot by the river. This gives you wonderful implied odds.

Very nice pot sized bet on the turn.

I'm not sure what you were afraid of on the river. You held the 2nd nuts. I know you said you are afraid of your Q's running into K's, but i would have played the river assuming I had the absolute nuts. Sure he may very well had top set, but in poker you must put your oponent on ranges and here your hand looses to just one hand but crushes every other hand in villians range. hands like AA, AK, KQ, JJ, 99, 77 etc. So I would play it like the nuts. If he has the 2 Kings then so be it.


That being said I would have played the river to get as much money into the pot as possible. Coming to the river there was 14,400 in the pot and villian had 5365 left in his stack.

From villians point of view he checked and then called a large bet (+40% of his stack) on the turn, so he must like his hand somewhat. On the river the 9s fell. This card looks pretty much like a brick and if he was happy with his hand on the turn then he should be still happy with it on the river. I would therefor assume that he would call a big bet on the river. Had you gone all in on the river I can't think of a hand that he would have called on the turn with and folded on the river. He would of been calling 5,285 to win a pot of 23,620.

So yes I believe you should have pushed all in on the river.



As an aside, lets say villian pushed you all in after you bet 2,500 on the river, if you were almost certain that villian had KK in his hand would you still have called for your last 2,785. If you believed you were beaten on the river then you should have just checked behind and not bet at all, because there is no way you will push him off the one hand that beats you.