how should i have played this!!

[malice777]

pokerstars Game #18465882219: Tournament #93845200, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/06/29 - 14:34:52 (ET)
Table '93845200 9' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: marc_ev (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: truckerwilli (1200 in chips)
Seat 3: Harry Rascal (1320 in chips)
Seat 4: malice777 (1670 in chips)
Seat 5: greek42 (1770 in chips)
Seat 6: prawney (1290 in chips)
Seat 7: sime_check (3130 in chips)
Seat 8: ruud27111 (1800 in chips)
Seat 9: Bong2eho (1390 in chips)
malice777: posts small blind 10
greek42: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to malice777 [Kc Jc]
prawney: folds
sime_check: calls 20
ruud27111: folds
Bong2eho: folds
marc_ev: calls 20
truckerwilli: calls 20
Harry Rascal: calls 20
malice777: raises 20 to 40
greek42: folds
sime_check: calls 20
marc_ev: calls 20
truckerwilli: calls 20
Harry Rascal: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [7d Th Tc]
malice777: bets 20
sime_check: raises 20 to 40
marc_ev: folds
truckerwilli: calls 40
Harry Rascal: calls 40
malice777: calls 20
*** TURN *** [7d Th Tc] [7c]
malice777: bets 20
sime_check: folds
truckerwilli: raises 80 to 100
Harry Rascal: folds
malice777: calls 80
*** RIVER *** [7d Th Tc 7c] [Ac]
malice777: bets 200
truckerwilli: raises 800 to 1000
malice777: raises 490 to 1490 and is all-in
truckerwilli: calls 20 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (470) returned to malice777
*** SHOW DOWN ***
malice777: shows [Kc Jc] (a flush, Ace high)
truckerwilli: shows [6c 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
truckerwilli collected 2620 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2620 | Rake 0
Board [7d Th Tc 7c Ac]
Seat 1: marc_ev folded on the Flop
Seat 2: truckerwilli showed [6c 7s] and won (2620) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
Seat 3: Harry Rascal (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: malice777 (small blind) showed [Kc Jc] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: greek42 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: prawney folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sime_check folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ruud27111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Bong2eho folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[un-diluted]

Either with a bigger raise pf or not at all imo. I am guessing that this is within first ten hands of a $4.40 180pp sng? min-raise wasn't going to push anyone off the hand. you had 4 limpers in front of you, standard raise really could have been 7-8xbb.

then at flop, what do you expect to learn by betting 20? anyone bets 20 at this pot and I'll raise w/ atc, as I would expect most to do w ith any pair. you made c-bet after missing the flop and got raised. Then even 2 calls in front of you, which made your odds to call too good. The action alone though makes it a good time to let it go cheaply, you can't figure you're ahead here if a k or j hits. Too bad I know the outcome already, to see how unlucky you got...better luck next time!

 

[malice777]

"Either with a bigger raise pf or not at all imo. I am guessing that this is within first ten hands of a $4.40 180pp sng? min-raise wasn't going to push anyone off the hand. you had 4 limpers in front of you, standard raise really could have been 7-8xbb"
yea it was early in the 180 sng..
i have been given advise on this site many times about not betting a min raise pre flop but i just keep forgetting.. tbh villain showed no indication that he was holding f.house i totally misread him as he was fairly tight throughout..his raise at the turn really didnt indicate f.house. i didnt expect the call at the river. tbh he played it very well i figure he had me on flush draw and was more delighted than me to see the ace on the river..

 

[EYEWILLWIN]

WHAT WERE U THINKING

PokerStars Game #18465882219: Tournament #93845200, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/06/29 - 14:34:52 (ET)
Table '93845200 9' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: marc_ev (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: truckerwilli (1200 in chips)
Seat 3: Harry Rascal (1320 in chips)
Seat 4: malice777 (1670 in chips)
Seat 5: greek42 (1770 in chips)
Seat 6: prawney (1290 in chips)
Seat 7: sime_check (3130 in chips)
Seat 8: ruud27111 (1800 in chips)
Seat 9: Bong2eho (1390 in chips)
malice777: posts small blind 10
greek42: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to malice777 [Kc Jc]
prawney: folds
sime_check: calls 20
ruud27111: folds
Bong2eho: folds
marc_ev: calls 20
truckerwilli: calls 20
Harry Rascal: calls 20
malice777: raises 20 to 40
greek42: folds
sime_check: calls 20
marc_ev: calls 20
truckerwilli: calls 20
Harry Rascal: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [7d Th Tc]:deal:
malice777: bets 20
sime_check: raises 20 to 40
marc_ev: folds
truckerwilli: calls 40
Harry Rascal: calls 40
malice777: calls 20
*** TURN *** [7d Th Tc] 7♣
malice777: bets 20
sime_check: folds
truckerwilli: raises 80 to 100
Harry Rascal: folds
malice777: calls 80
*** RIVER *** [7d Th Tc 7c] A♣
malice777: bets 200
truckerwilli: raises 800 to 1000
malice777: raises 490 to 1490 and is all-in
truckerwilli: calls 20 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (470) returned to malice777
*** SHOW DOWN ***
malice777: shows [Kc Jc] (a flush, Ace high)
truckerwilli: shows [6c 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
truckerwilli collected 2620 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2620 | Rake 0
Board [7d Th Tc 7c Ac]
Seat 1: marc_ev folded on the Flop
Seat 2: truckerwilli showed [6c 7s] and won (2620) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
Seat 3: Harry Rascal (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: malice777 (small blind) showed [Kc Jc] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: greek42 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: prawney folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sime_check folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ruud27111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Bong2eho folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seeing that you totaly MISSED the flop you should have got out then
and save yourself the chips and time wondering WHY CHASE a 2 outter with a pair on the board and then call a rasie ???? and re-raise and then two pair on the board YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST FOLDED AFTER THE FLOP!!!

 

[ph_il]

PokerStars Game #18465882219: Tournament #93845200, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/06/29 - 14:34:52 (ET)
Table '93845200 9' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: marc_ev (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: truckerwilli (1200 in chips)
Seat 3: Harry Rascal (1320 in chips)
Seat 4: malice777 (1670 in chips)
Seat 5: greek42 (1770 in chips)
Seat 6: prawney (1290 in chips)
Seat 7: sime_check (3130 in chips)
Seat 8: ruud27111 (1800 in chips)
Seat 9: Bong2eho (1390 in chips)
malice777: posts small blind 10
greek42: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to malice777 [Kc Jc]
prawney: folds
sime_check: calls 20
ruud27111: folds
Bong2eho: folds
marc_ev: calls 20
truckerwilli: calls 20
Harry Rascal: calls 20
malice777: raises 20 to 40
...Lets min raise here to keep everyone in. Forget thinning the field, lets make the pot bigger for someone else to take because KJs is just a power-house vs 6 players.
greek42: folds
sime_check: calls 20
marc_ev: calls 20
truckerwilli: calls 20
Harry Rascal: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [7d Th Tc]
malice777: bets 20
...Continue that pre-flop aggression! Make them pay for their draws!
sime_check: raises 20 to 40
marc_ev: folds
truckerwilli: calls 40
Harry Rascal: calls 40
malice777: calls 20
*** TURN *** [7d Th Tc] 7♣
malice777: bets 20
...Ooh, now you have more outs to flush looking at double paired board! Lets bet out!
sime_check: folds
truckerwilli: raises 80 to 100
...Hah, this is nothing to worry about, you still have the flush draw and over cards!
Harry Rascal: folds
malice777: calls 80
...Good call, I wonder how many outs you have at this point? Doesnt matter! You're getting great odds!
*** RIVER *** [7d Th Tc 7c] A♣
...Boy, I bet you're fist-pumping now. Look at at miracle river card for you!
malice777: bets 200
...Yes, lets bet into someone who raised on the turn with double pairs showing! Get your money in there!
truckerwilli: raises 800 to 1000
...Wow! Lucky you!
malice777: raises 490 to 1490 and is all-in
...Oh, this is such a great push! You have a flush!! You're shoving with a flush on a double paired board board and after you let 6 players see the flop for cheap. This is brilliant!
truckerwilli: calls 20 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (470) returned to malice777
*** SHOW DOWN ***
malice777: shows [Kc Jc] (a flush, Ace high)
...You must have the best hand! No way, with that many players seeing the flop, that someone called a min-raise with a hand that could beat you!
truckerwilli: shows [6c 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
...Oh no! Poker is so rigged!!!
truckerwilli collected 2620 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2620 | Rake 0
Board [7d Th Tc 7c Ac]
Seat 1: marc_ev folded on the Flop
Seat 2: truckerwilli showed [6c 7s] and won (2620) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
Seat 3: Harry Rascal (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: malice777 (small blind) showed [Kc Jc] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: greek42 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: prawney folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sime_check folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ruud27111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Bong2eho folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Ok, seriously...what the hell are you thinking?

 

[dimebag13697]

Why would you stick around after flop. You had a backdoor draw? Must be profitable chasing those draws.

 

[dj11]

Ah hA!!!!! we see the Phil at last!

 

[willie beaman]

Your biggest problem in this hand was making a minraise. By betting so little, you got a majority calling you down preflop. Once the board paired, you should have check-folded in my opinion on either the flop or turn. Even though you made the nut flush on the river, with the board double-paired, easy fold there. If you're going to raise preflop, get more aggressive.

 

[malice777]

Ty guys for the great advise as usual.. i now agree on reflection that the preflop min raise was the biggest mistake and i will take that on board. given villains tight style i think he may have folded 67os to a decent raise,when the 10/10 flopped i didnt beleive anyone was holding a 10 i figured there woulda been a big shove or even a push a push if they were..the 4x raise on a 20 chip bet didnt seem significant enough to suggest villain had the 7.. the big raise from him on the river sugested to me that he was holdin an ace???? maybe!! in any case i had already dismissed the idea of f,house at the turn and i didnt give it any thought at the river..I wrongly assumed i held the strongest hand and i was wrong not for the first time and definately not the last..I like this site a lot for the honest constructive critisim and will continue to.. preflop strategy and more attention to the board especially early in tournys and sngs is something i obviously need to work on as well as playing position..I have in the past and will in the future post my mistakes no matter how silly they are because thats the best way for me to learn by taking on board the advise and the criticism from the many gr8 players and analysts that are here...
Philty your analysis of the situation was more accurate than i realised at the time the comments were a good indication of the few thoughts a had at the time..Howeverthe last comment...
truckerwilli: shows [6c 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
...Oh no! Poker is so rigged!!!
Was way off the mark.. i dont beleive now that online poker is rigged..Like a lot of bad losers i did have those thoughts at one time but i was just lookin for someone to blame for my stupidity and bad luck.Thats one of the many things i learnt on this site.. i know my game will improve in time and i know thatl be down to the gr8 advise i get from the people here... I have aleady cut my bankroll from $500 a mnth to $200 and i i plan to cut it further..

 

[ph_il]

Philty your analysis of the situation was more accurate than i realised at the time the comments were a good indication of the few thoughts a had at the time..Howeverthe last comment...
truckerwilli: shows [6c 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
...Oh no! Poker is so rigged!!!
Was way off the mark.. i dont beleive now that online poker is rigged..

It was a joke.

 

[S93]

1.fold preflop or make it atleast 4bb.
2.Make a standard c-bet on the flop not this min bet crap and then fold when u get raised,even thou he min raises u just fold with the board paired your only real outs is running kings or jacks(or a flush).
3. On the turn the pot is geting big and nothing wrong with taking a stab at it but the min bet whont get any one to fold,if u really whant this pot bet atleast half the pot. Again when your min bet gets raised fold at that point your runing outs turned to no out and the flush draw is worthless with a double paired board.
4.You really think your flush is good with a double paired board? Think about it what can u beat? u can beat 22-66,88-99,JJ-KK and Ax that for some reason figured they whould play this to the river.

 

[widowmaker89]

Your biggest mistake wasnt the min raise, while that was dumb isnt wasnt oo important. The biggest mistake is sticking around after a double paired board. You cant just play your cards here, really you are drawing to a bluff catcher and thats it.

As for preflop no way you fold that getting 11:1 but dont raise. I see people saying to raise it more but you are out of position and have a very easily dominated hand and are out of position you dont want a caller and there are much easier spots to steals some limpers than here.

 

[KyleJRM]

1) Don't chase flushes on paired boards

2) Don't chase overcards

3) Don't all-in flushes on double-paired boards