$freeroll NL HE MTT: partypoker CardsChat Saturday Silver

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

freeroll

Currency

$

14 players left

12 players cash

I have about 24bb

there are short stacks with 5bb and 8bb

I have QQ and raise 3bb

Chip leader is a brazilian donkey (I'm not being racist, I'm also brazilian) playing like a maniac

he calls and the blinds fold

flop is all spades with an ace

I don't have a spade

I c-bet half pot and the donkey goes all in and I fold


Wonder if I mis played my hand

If I should've gone all in pre flop or checked the flop

 

[hobojim1247]

Either of those two options were probably better. AI preflop allows you to see all the cards and costs him a lot more to play. Not c-betting the flop on the wet board with an overcard saves you 4BB when he shoved. I agree and give you kudos for letting the hand go when you did.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
With 24BB effective you should either min-raise or go slightly larger like 2,2BB. 3BB opens are for, when stacks are much deeper. The reason for this is, you want to be able to have a range for opening and then folding to a jeram without losing to much of your stack. Of course you are not planning to fold QQ preflop, but if you min-raise all your weak hands and go 3BB with the hands, that are strong enough to stack off, thats very face up. So good players will take advantage of you by not giving you action, when you are strong and attacking you, when you are weak.

Its the same reason, why you dont want to only raise strong hands and limp all the marginal ones. Maybe this dont matter so much in a freeroll, but you asked, if you misplayed your hand, and the answer is, that yes this open sizing is a mistake. Against good players it will immedeatly tell them, you are recreational, since no solid regulars would raise to 3BB out of a short stack. So you are kind of putting a "fish" label on your own back, just like you would by limping. Which would actually almost be a better play here, if you think, it would likely induce a raise from the chipleader, because then you can jam over that raise with fold equity and a good risk-reward ratio.

Flop
The stereotypical awfull flop, when you are out of position against the only player, who can bust you. I save the C-bet here and go for a check-fold. Yes maybe he bluffed you, but in this particular situation ICM is so important, that you must focus on preserving your chips. Its annoying to have a loose and aggressive chip leader on your left, when you are a mid-stack, but there is nothing, you can do about it other than being patient and tighten up. And then try to become that annoying "chip bully" yourself another time

 

[Andyreas]

I don't think there's much to add to fundivers analysis, just one saying I have taken away from the CC 30 day course:
If the flop is wet, forget your c-bet. 🙂

Also going all-in with 24bbs pre flop is not the way to play this hand. Most people will fold and maybe you only get a call by AA, AK or KK which are the hands you prefer to not be against with QQ.

Hope you still made it to ITM though.

 

[fundiver199]

I don't think there's much to add to fundivers analysis, just one saying I have taken away from the CC 30 day course:
If the flop is wet, forget your c-bet. 🙂

Unless of course you have a hand, that actually connected with the wet board. But in this situation Hero did not connect, and his plan should be to try to show down as cheaply as possible. And if the opponent wont allow that to happen, then for me personally I would rather get bluffed out of a small pot rather than a big one. In that way I preserve more of my stack for future hands, which increase the chance of a top-3 finish.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

I don't think there's much to add to fundivers analysis, just one saying I have taken away from the CC 30 day course:
If the flop is wet, forget your c-bet. 🙂

Also going all-in with 24bbs pre flop is not the way to play this hand. Most people will fold and maybe you only get a call by AA, AK or KK which are the hands you prefer to not be against with QQ.

Hope you still made it to ITM though.

I did min cash, later I had 14 bb and shoved mid position with 99 and sb had AA

Ty all for the feedback.

I can see now that I was spewing chips unnecessarily being a short stack against the chip leader

Gonna use these two sayings in the future
"would rather get bluffed out of a small pot rather than a big one. "

"If the flop is wet, forget your c-bet"

 

[reeseflamees]

bluff

 

[Matt_Burns88]

Preflop
With 24BB effective you should either min-raise or go slightly larger like 2,2BB. 3BB opens are for, when stacks are much deeper. The reason for this is, you want to be able to have a range for opening and then folding to a jeram without losing to much of your stack. Of course you are not planning to fold QQ preflop, but if you min-raise all your weak hands and go 3BB with the hands, that are strong enough to stack off, thats very face up. So good players will take advantage of you by not giving you action, when you are strong and attacking you, when you are weak.

Its the same reason, why you dont want to only raise strong hands and limp all the marginal ones. Maybe this dont matter so much in a freeroll, but you asked, if you misplayed your hand, and the answer is, that yes this open sizing is a mistake. Against good players it will immedeatly tell them, you are recreational, since no solid regulars would raise to 3BB out of a short stack. So you are kind of putting a "fish" label on your own back, just like you would by limping. Which would actually almost be a better play here, if you think, it would likely induce a raise from the chipleader, because then you can jam over that raise with fold equity and a good risk-reward ratio.

Flop
The stereotypical awfull flop, when you are out of position against the only player, who can bust you. I save the C-bet here and go for a check-fold. Yes maybe he bluffed you, but in this particular situation ICM is so important, that you must focus on preserving your chips. Its annoying to have a loose and aggressive chip leader on your left, when you are a mid-stack, but there is nothing, you can do about it other than being patient and tighten up. And then try to become that annoying "chip bully" yourself another time

I love and hate it when I get to a thread after you, because you almost always say what I'm thinking in a more logical manner than I can offer.

@KUN_AGUERO_KROOS - read what @fundiver199 said and imagine I wrote it

 

[eetenor]

14 players left

12 players cash

I have about 24bb

there are short stacks with 5bb and 8bb

I have QQ and raise 3bb

Chip leader is a brazilian donkey (I'm not being racist, I'm also brazilian) playing like a maniac

he calls and the blinds fold

flop is all spades with an ace

I don't have a spade

I c-bet half pot and the donkey goes all in and I fold


Wonder if I mis played my hand

If I should've gone all in pre flop or checked the flop

Your study point is preplanning a hand using the available data- Most important data point in this hand is how big is the maniac's stack? Preflop sizing is fine in a freeroll- As the min cash is within reach our preplan after the maniac calls is to have the best hand and stack them but to be aware of dangerous flops that change that plan----On the flop vs a maniac is this a dangerous flop for us? Maniacs do not fold why are we betting? If we expect the maniac to fold their junk why are we betting half pot? If the maniac just called what do we do on turn? They are a maniac why would they check turn or fold on turn to our bet?-----There are times in poker where the weak players just get to win and we cannot even put up a fight---this is that spot because of the bubble and our stack size-- we are OOP on a terrible board vs a player that will not give up and is likely to shove as they did with the nuts or just 1 spade or no spade or an ace or 2 pair or naked bluff or etc etc- Our preplan thought on the flop is can we call a shove if we bet if no then we min bet or check- our preplan when we check is to fold to the maniacs bet because we cannot get to showdown vs this player type why call the flop bet when the maniac is shoving turn? We have one card that improves our equity that is it are we calling to hit one card so we can then call the turn shove?

QQ is not the hand we want to shove preflop-we want to get value from it post flop but not on this board vs this player