first hand of the $16k GTD on FTP

[joosebuck]

first hand, everyone has even stack.

i'm on the button with 89s.

utg limps to MP who raises from 20 to 123. 1 caller, i call, utg folds.

flop is 6s 10s Qc.

MP bets pot, mp+1 folds.

i .... ?

 

[cbt711]

lay down the gut shot straight flush draw? Maybe since it's a tournement, and it's about life, and weight and not about odds over the long haul like a cash game, but even agains A Q, or an over pair, which is about as bad as you can assume you're against... you have 9 spade outs, 4 straight outs, and 3+3/2 out of the remaining cars for two pair outs... which puts you at about 52% against a pair, 51% against two pair and about 45% against a set... But I dont know how aggressive you are - so you re raise or fold... anything but call here.

 

[joosebuck]

double gutshot. 7 & jack will do it for me. rather, OESD + flush draw, one being the straight flush draw,

 

[cbt711]

so you're a favorite - but you're commiting your stack witha re-raise, on the first hand... So now your options are fold or All In over the top. Assuming this isnt a deep stack tourny. 1000 chips starting.

 

[joosebuck]

you are right to assume. and as far as what i did - i pushed over the top, all in. (you are right, i am aggressive)

 

[cbt711]

off the top of my head, I would put you around 60% favorite at this point to top pair, over pair... even two pair is only 8-10% less with the boat outs he would have... so he folded considering the early hand and tourny buy in to your re raise... or he's a donk, and drew out since it's full tilt. Either way, I like your play here

 

[blankoblanco]

I push here just about every time. Certainly don't think you can fold... if you're gonna fold here, there's no point playing suited connectors in these spots to begin with. It's a good-sized pot and you have some fold equity. If he calls, you're a 55/45 fave over AQ, KK, or AA (unless one of his cards is a spade, in which case it's closer to even). Accumulating chips early in a tournament is of course really important. It'll lead to opportunities to accumulate more. If he calls and you lose, you didn't waste 4 hours to bubble or merely win back your buy-in or whatever, that's fine.

 

[joosebuck]

he called, flipped over A-10 and it held. how cute. didnt see it coming, especially from a $75 buy-in tourney.

 

[cbt711]

in the words of empire.. so sick. Can't be blamed there.

 

[blankoblanco]

Woww, called with AT, and played the whole hand like a retard. In that case you had tons of fold equity. Stupid, shame he wasn't punished for it.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Why get so involved with crap and no reads in the first hand of a donkament?

Fold preflop, fold flop. His call isn't necessarily that bad as shoving screams "I HAVE A DRAW LOL".

 

[blankoblanco]

His call isn't necessarily that bad as shoving screams "I HAVE A DRAW LOL".

From joosebuck's description, villain bet about 360 into a pot of 360, and joosebuck has ~1380 chips left. How much is a made hand supposed to raise here if they wanted to drive out a draw? Raise to 900 and leave yourself with 480? An all-in is not even close to an overbet in this situation, so I don't see how it's indicative of a draw. AQ does the same thing.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

oh, is it 1500 starting chips. point taken.

fold preflop anyway though.

 

[joosebuck]

fold. with position. a suited connecter. and then again. with position. an effective OESD + Flush draw. K.

 

[zebranky]

fold. with position. a suited connecter. and then again. with position. an effective OESD + Flush draw. K.

Yup, that sounds right. At least early in MTT/ MTSNGs, I won't play suited connectors unless they're JT or better. There's just too many wild players for me to bother playing anything but the monster hands. Nothing worse than having a T9 straight busted by a 27 FH (and it's happened to me twice)

As for after the flop - I don't think I could fold your hand, but I'd still be tempted to cold call. I couldn't drop the draws you have for the price he's giving, but I just don't like the risk of an all-in early in a multi-table event. some numbnuts with a pair and a kicker is too likely to call when he shouldn't and hold up!

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

fold. with position. a suited connecter. and then again. with position. an effective OESD + Flush draw. K.

duudde i <3 you but wtf

You want to play suited connectors cheaply in unraised, multi-way pots. This is not a cheap, or unraised pot, and is not guaranteed to be multi-way. It's a trivially easy preflop fold.

Shove the flop though and make the best out of a bad situation though, yeah.

 

[joosebuck]

i like 56-89 way better than 10j man.
also, i can see the argument for a fold preflop now.