Early in 6max MTT BB pp 7s

jayneseo

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I've been playing aggressive semi loose. Pretty much standard for short handed play. UTG is aggressive, has been a little tricky. Other two limpers are passive.

PokerStars Game #10099716160: Tournament #50597511, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/25 - 14:31:19 (ET)
Table '50597511 132' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: paddie86 (1380 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: jayneseo (1475 in chips)
Seat 3: N3XT78 (2430 in chips)
Seat 4: Cg-Jjester (2580 in chips)
Seat 5: Doogieman0 (1430 in chips)
Seat 6: qwert82 (1645 in chips)
paddie86: posts small blind 15
jayneseo: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jayneseo [7c 7h]
N3XT78: calls 30
Cg-Jjester: calls 30
Doogieman0: calls 30
qwert82: folds
paddie86: folds
jayneseo: raise or check?
 
stormswa

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check

I think this is a easy check and play for set value.

you have invested nothing extra in pot and if you hit a set it is going to be very very likely someone else has hit something.

the problem with raising here is you are OOP the entire hand if you lead the flop with a C-bet you are in real danger of getting reraised because like I said it is very likely someone else hit. You are still early in the tourney and there is no reason to get tricky at this stage.
 
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Rereaising a middle pair from the BB with 3 limpers. Not for me.

Out of position, you're going to do yourself an injury there ;)
 
joosebuck

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you have immediate odds, a raise isnt that terrible, but early on just check
 
alexanderwoo1

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It would be either a check or a normal raise. That is no problem if you do either one of those.
 
jayneseo

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jayneseo: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s 7d 5s]
jayneseo: ??



Should I check and hope this hit someone or that aggressive will take a stab or bet out since is a board full of draws?
 
stormswa

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lead

jayneseo: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s 7d 5s]
jayneseo: ??



Should I check and hope this hit someone or that aggressive will take a stab or bet out since is a board full of draws?

with all the limps I bet here 99.99999999999999999% of the time.

it is very very likely you have people limping in with like A9, K9, A5 and 2 spades. I'm never ever checking this well maybe .000000000000000001% of the time but who is counting.
 
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What do you want to do? If you are willing to take it down now, raise 2x bb, if not, check or call the min bet. The 2x risks little, and still will keep interested parties in.

Maybe the more important question is what was it you did the last time such an opportunity arose here? If you lead and they folded, maybe you want to do something different.

Personally, from a guy without a winning record, I think you really don't want to give em a chance to beat you. Odd thing for me is, they usually will.
 
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You have to bet here, the board is heavy on draws with 2 spades and if an 8 or 6 come someone could fill up a straight, with 3 limpers you can never be sure. Pot is 135, I'd bet 90 at least maybe even 120, because you need to start building this pot and hopefully an A, K or Q (non spade) comes on the turn.

Checking here is a terrible mistake. If they all fold its ok, it doesn't mean you made a mistake, checking is just too risky. Better winning a small pot rather than losing a big one. Maybe you get lucky and someone raises you big.
 
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I ended up checking because I was hoping UTG would bet out with nothing and I could repop it.

*** FLOP *** [9s 7d 5s]
jayneseo: checks
N3XT78: checks
Cg-Jjester: checks
Doogieman0: checks
*** TURN *** [9s 7d 5s] [5d]
jayneseo: ???


He didn't do what I wanted but now I'm money and only 2 hands beat me.
 
stormswa

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I ended up checking because I was hoping UTG would bet out with nothing and I could repop it.

*** FLOP *** [9s 7d 5s]
jayneseo: checks
N3XT78: checks
Cg-Jjester: checks
Doogieman0: checks
*** TURN *** [9s 7d 5s] 5
jayneseo: ???


He didn't do what I wanted but now I'm money and only 2 hands beat me.

check now is obvious.

at this point there is no point in betting let someone catch up or bluff it and cold call and value bet river.
 
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Wow I suck. Have to go to work now so I'll post the rest of the hand.


*** TURN *** [9s 7d 5s] [5d]
jayneseo: bets 90
N3XT78: raises 90 to 180
Cg-Jjester: folds
Doogieman0: folds
jayneseo: raises 1265 to 1445 and is all-in
N3XT78: calls 1265
*** RIVER *** [9s 7d 5s 5d] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jayneseo: shows [7c 7h] (a full house, Sevens full of Fives)
N3XT78: shows [8c 6d] (a straight, Five to Nine)
jayneseo collected 3025 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
 
stormswa

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wow

one of the weirdest played hands I have seen in awhile. nh though.
 
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I know I played it odd and so did villian. Thats why I posted to see what I could've done better. Don't think the results would be any different but if villian had different cards they would've been.

Oh side note. Villian had done the exact thing to me earlier except I folded (I didn't have a strong hand). Wasn't too many hands before this which is why I kinda played it this way too.
 
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Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaise !

Why shouldn t you raise ?

If you want to play agressive I think calling is no option against 3 opponents.

Your hand is hard to improve but strong enough to play against passive players.

If you dont want to play the tricky guy throw your hand away or try to bluff him out of the pot! He will certainly make some moves if he notices your weakness.
 
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Sorry, just now reading this thread. Firstly, seeing cheap flops with small pp's is the way to go in this situation with the poor position. After the flop, I'm a firm believer of betting my sets, fold equity + not letting people see free cards for draws is better than having someone outdraw you.
 
stormswa

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lol

Why shouldn t you raise ?

If you want to play agressive I think calling is no option against 3 opponents.

Your hand is hard to improve but strong enough to play against passive players.

If you dont want to play the tricky guy throw your hand away or try to bluff him out of the pot! He will certainly make some moves if he notices your weakness.


your going to bluff people in level 2 of a mtt?
out of position entire hand?

what do you do when A62 flop?
are you going to cbet? if you do how much? and when you get raised what are you going to do?

ok blinds are what like 20/40 so you raise to 120 at least and get a caller, maybe 2. You cbet 340 and get raised and have to fold ok you just donked off 1/3 of your stack almost.

it is too early in a tourney to make this move, no antes its just not worth it.

so you throw hands away alot in the big blind with no raise to you? LOL

basicly raising would be very bad at this level of a tourney even if you sense weakness in players, Later in a tourney yes raising would be a very strong and solid play if you sense weakness. and if origional limper calls you are in real bad spot if you dont hit your 13% set because you will be pushed out of the pot.
 
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