check raised with trips

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Stacks:
* UTG with 1440
* UTG+1 with 1200
* MP1 with 2185
* MP2 with 1230
* MP3 with 1840
* CO with 1230
* BTN with 1195
* SB with 1740
* BB with 1440

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Blinds:
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to MP3:T♥ Q♦
* * Sklansky group 6
Preflop:
* * 4 players fold.
* * Hero calls [50]
* * 2 players fold.
* * SB calls [25]
* * BB checks
* * Total folds this street: 6
* * Potsize: 150
Flop:
* * 10♦ 10♣ A♦
* * SB checks
* * BB checks
* * Hero bets [100]
* * SB raises to 450
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero calls [350]
* * Total folds this street: 1
* * Potsize: 1050
Turn:
* * J♣
* * SB bets [1,240, and is all in]

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No reads, villian was about 30/0/inf over 20 hands. Should I shove or fold?
 
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I'd be a bit worried in this spot, because I could easily see Villan holding KQ, JT, or even AT. Tough to lay trips down, though. I'd probably call and end up busting out.
 
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OK.. I am not going to be nice and I apologize ahead of time. You are in middle position with QTo. You say to yourself, hmm.. this isn't really a raising hand, maybe I can see a cheap flop, I will call.. but before I call, I need to know what kind of flops I need to hit to given my weak hand... let's go through some possiblities..

AKJ rainbow is a neat one
QQQ is even better
TTT is gonna kick some ass
QQT is pretty damn good
QTT is still gonna be nice
QQx nice, good trips..
TTx nice, good trips..

I am going to the mat with any of those outcomes... if I don't... I really shouldn't be playing poker or limping without any clue of how I am going to play this hand...

but wait, what if someone raises in LP? I have to probably fold, because my hand basically sucks ass. This is really a button hand in a limped pot so I know I am going to get the odds I need to actually have any kind of chance to win some money here.

... but it's early on and I bet this table, which I really have no reads on, will just let me see a cheap flop.

You played this hand for exactly this flop.. and if there is an AT or KT out there, well, too ****ing bad.. you want your chips, all of them, in there.

Christ.. this is not rocket science.
 
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Im getting it in on the flop tbh.
Vilians range is super wide and Tx,Ax and alot of bluffs are more likely then AT,KT,JT imo, KQd(and KdJd witch is now thinking FD+middle pair=arwww in!) is probably also in his range and that would have hit the turn but the shove just screams dont call imo so im thinking villian haves some thing like A-rag or T-2 and is scared of the drawy board.

Also i probably raise or fold here preflop more likely fold,kinda hate the open limp.
 
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OK.. I am not going to be nice and I apologize ahead of time. You are in middle position with QTo. You say to yourself, hmm.. this isn't really a raising hand, maybe I can see a cheap flop, I will call.. but before I call, I need to know what kind of flops I need to hit to given my weak hand... let's go through some possiblities..

AKJ rainbow is a neat one
QQQ is even better
TTT is gonna kick some ass
QQT is pretty damn good
QTT is still gonna be nice
QQx nice, good trips..
TTx nice, good trips..

I am going to the mat with any of those outcomes... if I don't... I really shouldn't be playing poker or limping without any clue of how I am going to play this hand...

but wait, what if someone raises in LP? I have to probably fold, because my hand basically sucks ass. This is really a button hand in a limped pot so I know I am going to get the odds I need to actually have any kind of chance to win some money here.

... but it's early on and I bet this table, which I really have no reads on, will just let me see a cheap flop.

You played this hand for exactly this flop.. and if there is an AT or KT out there, well, too ****ing bad.. you want your chips, all of them, in there.

Christ.. this is not rocket science.

A little unnecessarily harsh but true :)
 
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OK.. I am not going to be nice and I apologize ahead of time. You are in middle position with QTo. You say to yourself, hmm.. this isn't really a raising hand, maybe I can see a cheap flop, I will call.. but before I call, I need to know what kind of flops I need to hit to given my weak hand... let's go through some possiblities..

AKJ rainbow is a neat one
QQQ is even better
TTT is gonna kick some ass
QQT is pretty damn good
QTT is still gonna be nice
QQx nice, good trips..
TTx nice, good trips..

I am going to the mat with any of those outcomes... if I don't... I really shouldn't be playing poker or limping without any clue of how I am going to play this hand...

but wait, what if someone raises in LP? I have to probably fold, because my hand basically sucks ass. This is really a button hand in a limped pot so I know I am going to get the odds I need to actually have any kind of chance to win some money here.

... but it's early on and I bet this table, which I really have no reads on, will just let me see a cheap flop.

You played this hand for exactly this flop.. and if there is an AT or KT out there, well, too ****ing bad.. you want your chips, all of them, in there.

Christ.. this is not rocket science.

ok, had a day to think about this and i have to say you're right, though i agree with the other guy who said i should have shoved on the flop. i think the J on the turn is the worst card in the deck for me cuz i could easily put him on KQ so i folded. i think the biggest mistake here is the call on the flop. no worries on the harshness man, sometimes you need the tough love to really get things straight.
 
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i he does have you dominated, i don't see him going all-in like that, as you wouldn't be calling with many beaten hands (except ones like this i guess). he would rather bet like half the pot or something. looks like a scared raise to me. i call.
 
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probably the villian has AJ+, and think high pair and maybe a straight on the river, and dont care about your hand. next time call with trips, and maybe a fullhouse on the river.
 
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i agree that most times you pkay this hand full throttle after flop but if you dont you are stuck in a traphand as i like to call it on internet. im gussing thatthe allinpush is coming from a bully type who has a streak going
if thats the case the website has trapped you into a unfoldable hand and he is daring you to call
 
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