on the bubble short stack in live tourn

[pitter22]

Just got back from the casino and was playing in a 20 player 60$ Sit&Go with 6 people left.... and top 4 pay....

im in the small blind (SB300/BB600) short stack with only 3000 chips... UTG limps and everyone else folds around to me. BB is chip leader with about 10k who is tight aggressive and UTG has about 6k who is just tight. I look down at Qh 2c. I look at the BB who just won a pot so he was sorting his chips and looked like he wasnt interested in the pot so i think he will let us see a cheap flop. I call and he checks.

I look at BB as the flop comes down as i have a pretty good read on him... and i know he didnt hit much. so i look and see Qc 10s 8h. this is what i was looking for so i go all-in with 2400. BB thinks about it and calls... and UTG folds quickly.

BB flips over Js 7c... i am shocked... i think im golden. he is looking for the 9 or runner runner. he calls 2:1 into 4:1 situation... im happy he makes this call unless he donks out. and of coursee.......

9 comes on the turn... and im just drawing to a J for split. but no luck. im busted.

All in all im really happy with the way i played.. i took a lot of pots down with aggressive play and the only real mistakes i made were folding once or twice with the best hand for a couple pots which didnt bother me too much.

What do you guys think???

 

[p0K35]

...I look down at Qh 2c. I look at the BB who just won a pot so he was sorting his chips and looked like he wasnt interested in the pot so i think he will let us see a cheap flop. I call and he checks.

Problem starts here. Q2 off is a crap hand, no reason to see a cheap flop. Fold.

As a short stack, you should be looking for good hole cards to get allin preflop.

Your reads may be spot on, but your chips scare no one. Fold, see the next hand in position.

The rule here, should be:

If you can't raise from the SB, fold. The hand you post, is a good example, of why...

 

[robwhufc]

All in all im really happy with the way i played.. i took a lot of pots down with aggressive play and the only real mistakes i made were folding once or twice with the best hand for a couple pots which didnt bother me too much.

What do you guys think???

What do I think? I think "why has he only got 3,000 chips with blinds at 300/600, when he says he has been playing well"?

If you haven't suffered a bad beat, then it looks like you must have been playing too tight. You've lost this game long before the hand in question, you should have taken a stand before you got to this stage.

Re hand in question, if UTG is tight and BB uninterested, why not push all the chips in pre-flop? You haven't got enough chips to make speculative call (though you are in SB). Post flop, hand played itself - yep he should have folded, but if you had more chips he would have done.

 

[CfPoker]

BB flips over Js 7c... i am shocked... i think im golden. he is looking for the 9 or runner runner. he calls 2:1 into 4:1 situation... im happy he makes this call unless he donks out. and of coursee.......

Chip leaders will often (usually correctly, though in this case i think 25% of his stack was too much) call short stack all ins without correct odds just to get rid of them. It's usually preferable to take a stand early on so that your shoves are big enough to get people to fold.

What were the starting stacks in this tourney?

 

[pitter22]

The Q was the first face card ive seen as a while... hinting another reason im short stack. tried to make a couple position steals but they didnt pan out. my thought was... pay 300 to see the flop and if i hit im all-in. me folding in the SB would be too tight of a play at this point and if i miss and fold after the flop whats the difference between 2400 all in or 2700 all in.

starting stack was 2500

 

[p0K35]

The Q was the first face card ive seen as a while... hinting another reason im short stack....

That may be true, but in no way validates your play, imo.

whats the difference between 2400 all in or 2700 all in.

When you complete the SB to give the BB a 'free' flop, well, your TPCrap Kicker, means little. Why bother, the allin is a better play??? You're giving the bigstack a free flop, with the ole 'cheap flop' with Q2o. The chip preening, disinterested bigstack, will easily check their option. Will they call your allin for 3k?

I'd fold and take the next orbit to do my alliin with 2700 play, instead of this cheap flop play.

 

[The PoolBoy]

they were not soooooooooooted.FOLD those Rags!

 

[pitter22]

That may be true, but in no way validates your play, imo.



When you complete the SB to give the BB a 'free' flop, well, your TPCrap Kicker, means little. Why bother, the allin is a better play??? You're giving the bigstack a free flop, with the ole 'cheap flop' with Q2o. The chip preening, disinterested bigstack, will easily check their option. Will they call your allin for 3k?

I'd fold and take the next orbit to do my alliin with 2700 play, instead of this cheap flop play.

I agree with you in hindsight. but i know UTG had a good hand because he was very tight and decided to limp out of position. if i push here BB folds and UTG calls with a dominant hand on me and i get lucky on the flop and double up. but one thing i do really believe in is never put all your chips in when you know your behind... very tough situation and i think any choice.. fold, call, all-in can be a justified move.

 

[orangepeeleo]

but i know UTG had a good hand because he was very tight and decided to limp out of position.

1. Any flop that you pay 10% of your stack to see is certainly not 'cheap'
2. If you know UTG has a good hand then why play Q2o for 10% of your already tiny stack????

I've said it before on this site but read HoH 2 or read up on 'M', i don't think you have or you would never've been in this situation in the first place.

You might not have seen a face card for a while but don't tell me you never seen any connecting/1 gap, suited or off suit, cards either, or that the action was never folded round to you in mid-late/late position when you had a more threatening stack.