AQs in Early Position in Turbo Sit & Go - Early Stages

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$225 9-player Turbo Sit & Go. The play has been rather tight by most players but a couple of big pots occured as you can see from chip stacks. I have no proper reads on the players just yet, and am getting a feel for things. Standard raise has been $90 if you are wondering why the raise is small. I haven't played a hand yet (lost 30 chips due to 10/20 blinds) so anyway.....

pokerstars Game #9870193881: Tournament #50086107, $210+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/12 - 05:56:31 (ET)
Table '50086107 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: evseff (1910 in chips)
Seat 2: wodimello (1900 in chips)
Seat 3: TheMaster888 (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: culaopho (1620 in chips)
Seat 5: buffkenny (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: AJKHoosier1 (1380 in chips)
Seat 7: andy2973 (900 in chips)
Seat 8: topjock2007 (1380 in chips)
Seat 9: gismo2kr (1470 in chips)
gismo2kr: posts small blind 15
evseff: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheMaster888 [Qc Ac]
wodimello: calls 30
TheMaster888: raises 60 to 90
culaopho: folds
buffkenny: folds
AJKHoosier1: folds
andy2973: calls 90
topjock2007: calls 90
gismo2kr: folds
evseff: calls 60
wodimello: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [5s 4s As]
evseff: bets 210
wodimello: calls 210
TheMaster888:
 
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5 callers, hmm. Much as I'd hate to, I think u have to respect that flush.

Fold
 
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This is much higher stakes than I play so I feel a little ridiculous attempting to give advice.

If it were me though I think I'd fold. 1st player bets 210, 2nd calls, you will have 2 more left to act after you. In the beginning stages of STT's many players tend to play suited hands, although I'm not sure it also happens at those stakes. You don't have a spade, 2 cards still to come, 2 players already in, all this to me = fold, I don't like it, I'd rather lose the 90 and move on. I know it might sound weak though, and like I said it feels a little awkward for me to give you advice at those stakes.
 
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Normally, at the bigger stakes you see a raise about 3-4x BB and everyone folds or there is 1 caller. Occasionally, you'll get a bluffing feast post-flop or it'll be continuation bet and taken down there.

Anyway, I respect advice whatever level you're playing. :)
 
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too coordinated of a board to get involved with 2 people (oop) that seem to like the hand thus far. a raise here is pretty much a shove (pot is near 1k already) and with just TPGK, we don't like this. someone could easily have limped a5/a4/67s/55/44/ak/23/JTs/etc. we're really only not behind AT/AJ, and i doubt those are the exact holdings of the folks in front of us.
 
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Your opponents could have a number of hands they called your raise with. They could easily have called with A, 4 or A, 5. One of them could have a high spade and willing to chase. You have to lay this down. If it was only one player involved, I might consider calling.
 
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standard fold rally not much we want to be allin with here and tht way itll go
 
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Raise more pre-flop at this stage and with one limper (120-150+), fold flop.
 
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Will post the results after when a few more people have posted.

@ combuboom - I was thinking of raising more but figured as that was roughly a standard raise for those blind levels then it would either take down the pot, or have 1 caller and then go from there.
 
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Youre ahead here a lot of times imo, but the trouble is you wont know and itll be very expensive to find out. Tooo messy of a hand potentially to get in trouble with early, i fold it.
 
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Youre ahead here a lot of times imo, but the trouble is you wont know and itll be very expensive to find out. Tooo messy of a hand potentially to get in trouble with early, i fold it.
Three words: Reverse implied odds. If you're beaten, you will pay dearly to find out. If you're ahead, you won't get paid off anywhere near as much as you figure to lose when you're behind.

Continuing here has to be -EV.
 
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I agree FP, I don't think I'd continue here. Also, with that board and 2 players left to act ( if one has a high flush what a great spot this is to smooth call and let everyone hang themselves) impossible to know where you stand.

Also, if you're going to continue you'd HAVE to raise, which is another reason I don't like this hand.
 
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Nah, pot's big with 840 chips already and 4 other players still active - all-in's the only move if you're going to play it, but you're unlikely to get rid of everyone now as chasers will probably have correct odds when it's their turn to act (and you could already be almost drawing dead). I'd fold this without worrying too much - i'm guessing you didn't?
 
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I think tournament poker is all about timing. You have to pick and chose when it a good time to be aggressive and accumulate chips. 5 way pots are not on my radar as one of those times unless I flop the nuts or a nut draw.

Unfortunately you do not have either one. I would fold while you still only have 90 invested and find a better time to try and make a move. You are not pot committed or a short stack needing to make a move so I think this is an easy fold.

You already have a bet and a call with two more people to act after you. If you call, I see a reraise happening here at least 50% of the time from someone behind you to try to isolate or get a huge pot brewing.
 
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Here's how it panned out and a certain wodimello wasn't too happy! :p

TheMaster888: folds
andy2973: folds
topjock2007: raises 1080 to 1290 and is all-in
evseff: calls 1080
wodimello: raises 520 to 1810 and is all-in
evseff: calls 520
*** TURN *** [5s 4s As] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [5s 4s As 6c] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
evseff: shows [9s 8s] (a flush, Ace high)
wodimello: shows [Qs Ks] (a flush, Ace high - King higher)
wodimello collected 1040 from side pot
topjock2007: shows [5c Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
topjock2007 collected 4335 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5375 Main pot 4335. Side pot 1040. | Rake 0
Board [5s 4s As 6c Ad]
Seat 1: evseff (big blind) showed [9s 8s] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: wodimello showed [Qs Ks] and won (1040) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: TheMaster888 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: culaopho folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: buffkenny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: AJKHoosier1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: andy2973 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: topjock2007 (button) showed [5c Ah] and won (4335) with a full house, Aces full of Fives
Seat 9: gismo2kr (small blind) folded before Flop
 
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