Another what do you do here?

[twizzybop]

Stage #438697927 Tourney ID 1150571 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $400 - 2006-07-04 17:14:40 (ET)
Table: 219 (real money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - TWIZZYBOP ($9520 in chips)
Seat 2 - KAYSLICK ($2692 in chips)
Seat 3 - CITYGURL ($6420 in chips)
Seat 4 - SHRPARROW ($1097 in chips)
Seat 5 - GLASHARD ($12145 in chips)
Seat 6 - BABYBOY9 ($336.24 in chips)
Seat 7 - SHINYTOPII ($3775 in chips)
Seat 8 - RONRICO1951 ($11473 in chips)
Seat 9 - CRAZYCONGER ($28155 in chips)
TWIZZYBOP - Ante $50
KAYSLICK - Ante $50
CITYGURL - Ante $50
SHRPARROW - Ante $50
GLASHARD - Ante $50
BABYBOY9 - Ante $50
SHINYTOPII - Ante $50
RONRICO1951 - Ante $50
CRAZYCONGER - Ante $50
KAYSLICK - Posts small blind $200
CITYGURL - Posts big blind $400
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TWIZZYBOP [Qh Qs]
SHRPARROW - Folds
GLASHARD - Folds
BABYBOY9 - All-In $286.24
SHINYTOPII - Folds
RONRICO1951 - Calls $400
CRAZYCONGER - Raises $2000 to $2000
TWIZZYBOP -???

I will do the results later

Now what would someone do here.. re-raise or call?

 

[ChuckTs]

any reads?

 

[twizzybop]

Honestly I didn't have any reads because powers behond my control had me sitting out for over an hour. Hard to explain why but I got back in later with a decent stack that I had accumulated before I had to sit out.

This hand here is where I got back and played it not knowing what to expect...

Stage #438695832 Tourney ID 1150571 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $300 - 2006-07-04 17:11:25 (ET)
Table: 219 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 1 - TWIZZYBOP ($4420 in chips)
Seat 2 - KAYSLICK ($5917 in chips)
Seat 3 - CITYGURL ($5495 in chips)
Seat 4 - SHRPARROW ($1622 in chips)
Seat 5 - GLASHARD ($12270 in chips)
Seat 6 - BABYBOY9 ($461.24 in chips)
Seat 7 - SHINYTOPII ($3900 in chips)
Seat 8 - RONRICO1951 ($12148 in chips)
Seat 9 - CRAZYCONGER ($29380 in chips)
TWIZZYBOP - Ante $25
KAYSLICK - Ante $25
CITYGURL - Ante $25
SHRPARROW - Ante $25
GLASHARD - Ante $25
BABYBOY9 - Ante $25
SHINYTOPII - Ante $25
RONRICO1951 - Ante $25
CRAZYCONGER - Ante $25
RONRICO1951 - Posts small blind $150
CRAZYCONGER - Posts big blind $300
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TWIZZYBOP [10s Qd]
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $300
KAYSLICK - Raises $900 to $900
CITYGURL - Folds
SHRPARROW - Folds
GLASHARD - Folds
BABYBOY9 - Folds
SHINYTOPII - Folds
RONRICO1951 - Folds
CRAZYCONGER - Calls $600
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $600
*** FLOP *** [Js Qs Jc]
CRAZYCONGER - Checks
TWIZZYBOP - Checks
KAYSLICK - Bets $900
CRAZYCONGER - Folds
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $900
*** TURN *** [Js Qs Jc] [5c]
TWIZZYBOP - Checks
KAYSLICK - Bets $900
TWIZZYBOP - Calls $900
*** RIVER *** [Js Qs Jc 5c] [3d]
TWIZZYBOP - Checks
KAYSLICK - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TWIZZYBOP - Shows [10s Qd] (Two Pair, queens and jacks)
KAYSLICK - Mucks
TWIZZYBOP Collects $6675 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($6675)
Board [Js Qs Jc 5c 3d]
Seat 1: TWIZZYBOP won Total ($6675) HI$6675) with Two Pair, queens and jacks(ten kicker) [10s Qd - B:Qs,P:Qd,B:Js,B:Jc,P:10s]
Seat 2: KAYSLICK HI: [Mucked] [5h Qh]
Seat 3: CITYGURL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: SHRPARROW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: GLASHARD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BABYBOY9 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: SHINYTOPII (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: RONRICO1951 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: CRAZYCONGER (big blind) Folded on the FLOP

A crazy hand but now I got dealt the QQ's 3 hands later after this hand.

 

[ChuckTs]

i think i push here. Gotta go for the gusto. I'm thinking he's trying to steal and get a small/medium pair or maybe an ace heads up against the all in guy.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Push QQ. There are two main possibilities here.

(1) 'Crazyconger' is a lucky donk who's been overaggressive with marginal hands and got lucky, hence his big stack. If this is the case, his raising range is wide.

(2) 'Crazyconger' is a pretty decent player and is raising to isolate with the guy who is allin. Again, his raising range is wider than usual.

My money's on (1).

Limping UTG with QT is horrible by the way.

 

[twizzybop]

Limping UTG with QT is horrible by the way.

Yes agreed... I just got back from sitting out and figured since the bets were low enough to keep me around with such a horrible hand, might as well take a shot with it and play it.. hence why I said it was crazy

 

[Egon Towst]

Crazygonger`s quite likely got a hand like Ax, which would make you about a 70/30 favourite, but without a decent read on the guy it`s dangerous to go up against the chip leader, and he has enough chips to feel comfortable about calling any bet you make.

My decision would be based on the strategic situation. Where do we stand in the tourney ? Are we in the money yet ? If we call and lose, how much is it likely to cost us ? If we double up, how much is it likely to earn us ?

 

[twizzybop]

I did the smart thing... only 2 hands that will beat me right here and now are AA or KK... any call on those hands and I am almost sunk.

Other than that, I do what I did and pushed

TWIZZYBOP - All-In(Raise) $9470 to $9470
KAYSLICK - Folds
CITYGURL - Folds
RONRICO1951 - Folds
CRAZYCONGER - Calls $7470
*** FLOP *** [Js 5c Ad]
*** TURN *** [Js 5c Ad] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [Js 5c Ad 6s] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TWIZZYBOP - Shows [Qh Qs] (One pair, queens)
BABYBOY9 - Shows [9d 10h] (One pair, nines)
CRAZYCONGER - Shows [Ks Ac] (One pair, aces)
CRAZYCONGER Collects $18595.04 from side pot-1
CRAZYCONGER Collects $2081.20 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($20676.24:$2081.20,$18595.04)
Board [Js 5c Ad 6s 9h]
Seat 1: TWIZZYBOP (dealer) HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qh Qs - P:Qs,P:Qh,B:Ad,B:Js,B:9h]
Seat 2: KAYSLICK (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: CITYGURL (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: SHRPARROW Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: GLASHARD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BABYBOY9 HI:lost with One pair, nines [9d 10h - B:9h,P:9d,B:Ad,B:Js,P:10h]
Seat 7: SHINYTOPII Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: RONRICO1951 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: CRAZYCONGER won Total ($20676.24) HI$20676.24) with One pair, aces [Ks Ac - B:Ad,P:Ac,P:Ks,B:Js,B:9h]

Noted him down for a next time that he over values A,K and won't ever let it go. A.K isn't and ever will be the bomb..

 

[blankoblanco]

Well it was $7470 for him to call about a $13000 pot. Unless he thinks he's up against AA or KK, he easily has odds to call. If he thinks YOU thought he was raising to isolate, he may think you think he doesn't have a hand as good as he does (I know, that's heavy stuff). Thus despite your re-raise push, I can't totally blame him for not instantly putting you on AA or KK, although I would have strongly considered the possibility. He had a huge stack, so that of course may have influenced the decision.

 

[Bombjack]

I'd have pushed in the same situation... you're only not favourite against AA and KK, and AK is a coinflip. I'd also have called with AK. Didn't do anything wrong. Sometimes poker is just luck!