AK Suited anything I could have done different here?

[Richard7787]

$15+1 SnG on Stars Id been playing tight even for a Turbo SnG Picking my moments and taking in decent pots with good play, pkrpimp has been LAG and getting lucky with flush flops with his suited connectors early on and is chip leader. Had the same hand against him heads up earlier and raised it 500 in the BB, Blinds 75/150 and he folded on the button, same round a few hands later..

pokerstars Game #9265299878: Tournament #47069050, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/05 - 14:08:31 (ET)
Table '47069050 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: camptheblunt (1490 in chips)
Seat 2: Daleroxxu (1890 in chips)
Seat 3: papillon181 (2505 in chips)
Seat 6: pkrpimp669 (4305 in chips)
Seat 7: Mythos87 (1185 in chips)
Seat 9: Richard7787 (2125 in chips)
Daleroxxu: posts small blind 75
papillon181: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Richard7787 [Kh Ah]
pkrpimp669: calls 150
Mythos87: folds
Richard7787: raises 450 to 600
camptheblunt: folds
Daleroxxu: folds
papillon181: folds
pkrpimp669: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [As 4s 5s]
pkrpimp669: checks
Richard7787: bets 1525 and is all-in
pkrpimp669: calls 1525
*** TURN *** [As 4s 5s] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [As 4s 5s 6s] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pkrpimp669: shows [Tc Ks] (a flush, Ace high)
Richard7787: shows [Kh Ah] (a pair of Aces)
pkrpimp669 collected 4475 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4475 | Rake 0
Board [As 4s 5s 6s 7h]
Seat 1: camptheblunt (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Daleroxxu (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: papillon181 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: pkrpimp669 showed [Tc Ks] and won (4475) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: Mythos87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Richard7787 showed [Kh Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces

Considering his LAG play should I have raised more here pre-flop? (Personally not sure as I still had 3 to act after myself) Any thoughts welcome!

 

[joosebuck]

DONT
POST
SHOWDOWN.

if you wanna post the whole thing, put it in the bad beat place or something.

 

[Richard7787]

DONT
POST
SHOWDOWN.

if you wanna post the whole thing, put it in the bad beat place or something.

Ill take that as he got lucky again, thx.

 

[Stick66]

DONT
POST
SHOWDOWN.

if you wanna post the whole thing, put it in the bad beat place or something.

Joose means: If you want some substantial answers, leave the key actions off until later. Anyone can say the right thing when they know how it ended.

Now. I wouldn't have pushed on a flush board. If you want to bluff at a board like that, make it less so you can have some chips left if he has the flush. Also, if your read on him was "LAG", he could have easily called PF with A4 or A5 and hit 2 pair. The board was not one to take lightly here.

Sure, he hit a lucky flush card. But it looks like his LAG play may have tilted you slightly and you made a slight error.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Every time I see a thread title like "Could I have done anything differently here?" I just know it's going to be a hand like this where villain got lucky and the results get posted and there's obviously nothing wrong with the way the hand was played. ;/

 

[skoldpadda]

I agree with dorkus -- I think you played it fine. Even if you continuation bet, a LAG is going to shove with that hand and chip stack.

 

[Richard7787]

Joose means: If you want some substantial answers, leave the key actions off until later. Anyone can say the right thing when they know how it ended.

Now. I wouldn't have pushed on a flush board. If you want to bluff at a board like that, make it less so you can have some chips left if he has the flush. Also, if your read on him was "LAG", he could have easily called PF with A4 or A5 and hit 2 pair. The board was not one to take lightly here.

Sure, he hit a lucky flush card. But it looks like his LAG play may have tilted you slightly and you made a slight error.

Yeah I know what Joose meant, I didnt mean it to sound sarcastic in anyway. I was going to edit the showdown out but nevermind, ppl have seen it now.

I Pretty much had the same chips as the pot, sure he was gonna put me all-in anyway with anything if I checked it so I pushed first, I dont think I was on tilt until he called me a Donk after the hand and I was out, causing me to just post the whole hand. Just not sure why he called with K10o in first position when id been playing very tight and made a good sized raise in early/mid position, pretty sure his odds were wrong to call the post flop all-in with what he had?, Do people like this even try to read other people's play through games?

 

[doorbread]

I don't think anything was done wrong by both parties post flop. He had the nut flush draw, you had top pair, and with the chip situation, all the chips were going in.

 

[PokerPete]

pretty sure his odds were wrong to call the post flop all-in with what he had?

If I were the villian here, my live on the spot calcs would run like this:

9 "outs" which would give me the nut flush, and no existing board pair, and the odds that YOU PF bet with A rag are slim...so I'm thinking flush wins:

9 outs * 2 for rough percent conversion * 2 for cards to draw yet

= ~36% chance of hitting my flush and taking you out

existing pot: BB + SB + 600 + 600 = 1425

Your bet: 1525 into 1425 (pot + pot)

His call: 1525 ( 1/2 of total)

If put in this position 3 times and I call all three times I can expect to win 1 and lose two

win 4475 : lose 1525 (my call) twice OR 3050

My expected total out come for plays like this is PLUS 1425

I don't think I would have gotten into the spot he was, but once there...I think I have to make that call every time.

 

[joosebuck]

you're giving 2:1 on his 3:1 hand. he ~should~ fold here but some LAGtards love flush draws.

 

[alan1983]

you're giving 2:1 on his 3:1 hand. he ~should~ fold here but some LAGtards love flush draws.

I believe his hand is 2-1 not 3-1.

Richard as it went down, you were favourite after flop and got unlucky.

However, id rather push with ak here than just raise, because if you dont hit flop, any continuation bet youll make will commit you to the pot anyway.

 

[joosebuck]

unless i'm not thinking right a flush draw is 3:1.

 

[alan1983]

3:1 means its 25% to hit.

Flush is 35%, which makes it about 1.9:1.

 

[Stick66]

You both are right. 1.9-1 with 1 card to come & 4.1 with 2 cards to come. There's a chart on this page:

Poker Odds - Calculating Odds in Texas Hold'em Poker

There's a desktop background with those odds on it at the bottom of this page:

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[skoldpadda]

You both are right. 1.9-1 with 1 card to come & 4.1 with 2 cards to come. There's a chart on this page:

Poker Odds - Calculating Odds in Texas Hold'em Poker

Other way around.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

If I were the villian here, my live on the spot calcs would run like this:

9 "outs" which would give me the nut flush, and no existing board pair, and the odds that YOU PF bet with A rag are slim...so I'm thinking flush wins:

9 outs * 2 for rough percent conversion * 2 for cards to draw yet

= ~36% chance of hitting my flush and taking you out

existing pot: BB + SB + 600 + 600 = 1425

Your bet: 1525 into 1425 (pot + pot)

His call: 1525 ( 1/2 of total)

If put in this position 3 times and I call all three times I can expect to win 1 and lose two

win 4475 : lose 1525 (my call) twice OR 3050

My expected total out come for plays like this is PLUS 1425

I don't think I would have gotten into the spot he was, but once there...I think I have to make that call every time.

umm you added the amount he has to call to the pot (edit: twice), so this is horribly wrong. ;/

 

[skoldpadda]

Lose 1525 twice (-3050) or win 2950 once = EV of -100. But you actually win 35% of the time (slightly more than 1/3), so it's really close. Actually has +EV of about +15.

 

[Stick66]

Other way around.

Yep. Oops, sorry.

 

[alan1983]

umm you added the amount he has to call to the pot, so this is horribly wrong. ;/

You do add the bet already made to the pot.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

yes, but he added it twice (sorry, I did phrase it pretty awfully).

 

[Richard7787]

Enjoyed reading peoples replies, discussion like this is always good for improving peoples understanding etc Thanks for your replies and suggestions.