AA ...size of raise?

[murraygoals]

Im sorry, but after that weak raise he made, I would raise about 5x the big blind to keep everyone honest. I hate losing with aces, but when i know that i raised enough to get SOMEONE off their hand....it makes me feel better. Even though you have the most strength at the table, they can be made even stronger by protecting them.

 

[shinedown.45]

Im sorry, but after that weak raise he made, I would raise about 5x the big blind to keep everyone honest. I hate losing with aces, but when i know that i raised enough to get SOMEONE off their hand....it makes me feel better. Even though you have the most strength at the table, they can be made even stronger by protecting them.

In relation to the above post, whether you know it or not, the betting should be based on the pot size after the flop, not the amount of BB's.

As for the hand, we should be making a C-bet between 3/4 pot and pot just to see where we stand.
You do not want to give a free card on such a flop, which I know you have no intention of doing.

 

[HNRocketS]

I like your line to flat here, it's early in the game and over playing AA can cripple or knock you out on a lot of non improving flops. Your position is so key here and the original raisers range is so wide here. Play flop by ear, any 2 tone non straight flops, Id 3 bet to any, and open light.

 

[Caysewell]

This table is full of donks - very loose play all around.

With a table full of donks, we should 3bet a little more, no? Like what has been mentioned, 5X raise to 800 and shove if someone 4bets. If you have been playing tight and they have been paying attention, I don't think we'll get any action if we shoved immediately.

Post flop, I think it's a pretty good flop to play against donks. Rainbow flop would be best but at least you have the Ad. We are definitely cbetting, probably about 3/4 pot. Donks with top pair would give you action and flush draws could be coming along.

We'll be left with a little over 2k post-turn. Shove if a blank card comes. Not too sure what I'll do if one of them donk bets the turn.

 

[Cowboy8112]

With the table being loose, I would stick to a 3 or 4 times bet. see the flop then push

The reason behind this is, if they are playing any two cards to see the flop and get lucky on the turn or river you will end up in the BB section. Post flop they are more likley to lay down poor cards against a big bet. And yes, I am aware that they may hit post flop and bust her aces here, but that seems to be the strongest play with AA at a very loose table, IMO

 

[Tom1559]

I would go with 3 to 4 BB raise. If the other players are loose they they should call you and then you have to hope that the flop is good for you and you can cash in.

 

[Cowboy8112]

Unless I am missing something, She said this was a "donk" table very loose players. You wont get any of them out with an all In, they will just assume you are one of them and call you. I stand by my first reply, a solid bet, and a push post flop (depending on the flop of course)

 

[yanksfan11]

well seeing that you are one of the smallest stacks at your table i think you should reraise for your whole stack to make it look like you just want the pot right there

 

[Debi]

Okay - here is what I did. Now what?

pokerstars Game #25091189959: Tournament #140556365, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2009/02/18 16:12:21 ET
Table '140556365 164' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dakota-xx (4025 in chips)
Seat 2: Butteblack (4295 in chips)
Seat 3: westernrun (8080 in chips)
Seat 4: CoooKieZ (5310 in chips)
Seat 5: Pokestarss (3825 in chips)
Seat 6: AA6664 (5600 in chips)
Seat 7: Muri9999 (5540 in chips)
Seat 8: ACNAC (3600 in chips)
Seat 9: mishana82 (9300 in chips) is sitting out
westernrun: posts small blind 40
CoooKieZ: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Ad Ah]
Pokestarss: raises 80 to 160
Muri9999 said, "nice"
AA6664: folds
Muri9999: calls 160
ACNAC: folds
mishana82: folds
dakota-xx: raises 340 to 500
Muri9999 said, "my first four of a kind on pokerstars"
Butteblack: folds
westernrun: folds
CoooKieZ: calls 420
Pokestarss: calls 340
Muri9999: calls 340
*** FLOP *** [2h Qd 5d]
CoooKieZ: checks
Pokestarss: checks
Muri9999: checks
dakota-xx: ???

 

[Cowboy8112]

Now its an all in push, your only callers will be the Q blank and the double dimonds, and if it runs diamonds you have the nut. You are safe to assume that a QQ would have pushed already so would have 2 pair (you may not be right, but its a safe assumption)

 

[DenisXS]

Should re-raise it to 500 or limp in. Depends on the situation and stage of the tournament...

I would re-raise here cos the pot is already quite big.

 

[silverslugger33]

You have to believe you're good here, but with 3 other people in this is no time to try to slow play. Throw out a very big bet (1K-1.5K). On that board, someone could easily put you on AK and a continuation bet, which could give you action. Also, if someone called your pf bet with AQ, you have them crushed, but they'll probably call anyway. Also, if you don't get action, that's fine. The pot is already very big as is, so there's nothing wrong with taking it down right now.

 

[johnsmeg4]

I usually go 4x the bb

 

[kowboys4]

Donkeys would have pushed with QQ already. All your really hoping not to see is 5,5 or 2,2.

If they have either one of those hands I would be very surprised but there is nothing you can do but be beat there anyway. You aren't going to fold there.

As for a flush draw. What could these donks possibly have? Kd Jd? Kd 10d It would be really hard to see any hand with diamonds in it at this point since you have the ace.

Your next possibility would be K Q or Q J which seem more callable by these people but you have those beat in any case adn they will probably come along for the ride.

I would shove here and hope that a K Q, Q J hand would call and that any flush draw stays out.

 

[TinaPete]

wow stuff hand somtimes I hate to see it... I have lost often with this hand ,because most dont respect a raise.. so I say go all in. even if no one calls you dont lose chips. really it depends on whos at the table good players or donks ...I say go all in....good luck at the tables. Tina

 

[Debi]

Results for wondering minds:

PokerStars Game #25091189959: Tournament #140556365, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2009/02/18 16:12:21 ET
Table '140556365 164' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dakota-xx (4025 in chips)
Seat 2: Butteblack (4295 in chips)
Seat 3: westernrun (8080 in chips)
Seat 4: CoooKieZ (5310 in chips)
Seat 5: Pokestarss (3825 in chips)
Seat 6: AA6664 (5600 in chips)
Seat 7: Muri9999 (5540 in chips)
Seat 8: ACNAC (3600 in chips)
Seat 9: mishana82 (9300 in chips) is sitting out
westernrun: posts small blind 40
CoooKieZ: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Ad Ah]
Pokestarss: raises 80 to 160
Muri9999 said, "nice"
AA6664: folds
Muri9999: calls 160
ACNAC: folds
mishana82: folds
dakota-xx: raises 340 to 500
Muri9999 said, "my first four of a kind on pokerstars"
Butteblack: folds
westernrun: folds
CoooKieZ: calls 420
Pokestarss: calls 340
Muri9999: calls 340
*** FLOP *** [2h Qd 5d]
CoooKieZ: checks
Pokestarss: checks
Muri9999: checks
dakota-xx: bets 3525 and is all-in
CoooKieZ: calls 3525
Pokestarss: folds
Muri9999: folds
*** TURN *** [2h Qd 5d] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [2h Qd 5d 8d] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CoooKieZ: shows [Qc Qh] (four of a kind, Queens)
dakota-xx: shows [Ad Ah] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
CoooKieZ collected 9090 from pot
Muri9999 said, "hahaha"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9090 | Rake 0
Board [2h Qd 5d 8d Qs]
Seat 1: dakota-xx showed [Ad Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 2: Butteblack (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: westernrun (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: CoooKieZ (big blind) showed [Qc Qh] and won (9090) with four of a kind, Queens
Seat 5: Pokestarss folded on the Flop
Seat 6: AA6664 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Muri9999 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: ACNAC folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mishana82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Cowboy8112]

Ouch, I wouldnt have played it any different. I would have never put him on AA with the previous play you described. Smoth calling the set was a good play on his part

 

[JoeDi]

I would have raise about 3x or 480 - 600... Then 2/3's - 3/4 of the pot after the flop..

 

[JDVB]

The best thing to do when you have AA. is to raise at least 3.5 times the blind. I actully raise that with any good hand. That gets all the bull out of there, so you don't get beat by 8 3 off suit.

 

[JDVB]

When you raise with AA, you should at least raise 3 times the blind. If you are going to raise on anything it should be 3 times the blind. Any less is worthless. Any more is to much

 

[beefcake413]

My question is was the "my first 4 of a kind on pokerstars" referring to a previous hand? Otherwise that's a little creepy...

 

[beefcake413]

Nevermind read it wrong different player, but still a little akward.

 

[left52side]

Usually on a super loose table early in a tournament I will raise higher than 3/4X with pocket A/A OR K/K,
Just one of them situations where if you do get all your chips in it will be a race.

 

[Worak]

To all those saying shove, do you think the opponents in this hand appear strong, or weak?

I will post more of this tomorrow - was going to do it now but want to wait and see if anyone answers C9 above.

Haven't read further yet....

To me both seem weak here - I don't know exactly what they played before and what your table image is but you said the whole table was "loose" so I'd put the UTG min-raiser muri on KJo, Q10s, Ax or 22-66 at best, the limp / callers behind on any two facecards.
I think shoving will cost you value here - all will very probably fold (if your image is anywhere near to solid).
I'd raise 375 to 535 here.

Edit: What a cooler - but inevetable imo - even shoving wouldn't have made QQ fold probably.

 

[Ranny]

Interesting in that the winner was not even mentioned in opening post and no one mentioned the blinds getting involved.

Dakota did nothing wrong but the QQ was played well, after a raise call re-raise I'm only calling with the ladies looking for a low flop.