AA ...size of raise?

[Debi]

This table is full of donks - very loose play all around.

pokerstars Game #25091189959: Tournament #140556365, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2009/02/18 16:12:21 ET
Table '140556365 164' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dakota-xx (4025 in chips)
Seat 2: Butteblack (4295 in chips)
Seat 3: westernrun (8080 in chips)
Seat 4: CoooKieZ (5310 in chips)
Seat 5: Pokestarss (3825 in chips)
Seat 6: AA6664 (5600 in chips)
Seat 7: Muri9999 (5540 in chips)
Seat 8: ACNAC (3600 in chips)
Seat 9: mishana82 (9300 in chips) is sitting out
westernrun: posts small blind 40
CoooKieZ: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Ad Ah]
Pokestarss: raises 80 to 160
Muri9999 said, "nice"
AA6664: folds
Muri9999: calls 160
ACNAC: folds
mishana82: folds
dakota-xx: ???

 

[THGE]

Pokestarss raises 80 to 160 and Muri9999 calls 160. I think if you raise 3x, they probably call you to see the flop.
After the flop is another situation, but before the flop you have the hight hand.

 

[Yeti]

I would be inclined to raise it up to around 450/500. Enough of a raise to still have one person in the pot, but hopefully remove one of your opponents. Obviously this gives you much greater odds of winning the hand.

 

[Irexes]

Either raise to 800 or shove.

If they've shown any inclination to get it in then shoving is great

 

[c9h13no3]

Pressing the "bet pot" button with aces preflop is never bad. A potsized bet just happens to be 760.

 

[JCuervo]

I thought with high pair(s) you better off against just one player. With a raise and a call, I'd figure either one or both of your opponents had a pair or a drawing hand. I'd bet in the 700-1000 range to try and isolate one of them. If either, or both re-raise, then for me, I'd push the rest of my chips into the middle.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

Pot or shove. I prefer shove.

 

[c9h13no3]

To all those saying shove, do you think the opponents in this hand appear strong, or weak?

 

[Debi]

I will post more of this tomorrow - was going to do it now but want to wait and see if anyone answers C9 above.

 

[mk0523]

Well with a pair of aces its a lot better to be involved with just one other player then two. I would not push here even though you have a chance of getting called by pokerstarss who raised to 160. I think your much better of just raising it up to 600 something. Of course if your playing just one opponent and your last to act I might just call.

 

[Gribbley]

I'd raise to 480 and hope the 160 raiser was making such a small raise because he felt secure with his KK. Hope HE pushes.

 

[spunka]

As always it depends on the read you have of the players...
If no read you will have to with the stack sizes, position, and what you want to acomplish.

Let's say you don't want to lose the hand, then by all means shove or raise 3-4x last raiser. (and tell them that you hold KK or AA)

Let's say you want to get the most chips then min. raise or flat call as you have position on both of them, and you can reraise after they have raise on the flop...

 

[Rememberthis1]

Why is shoving 51 BBs the right move here?

Why not take your preflop nuts and raise it to 480 and fistpump when you get two callers? The raiser most likely has a hand like AK here, while the caller could have anything. This is a spot where you 3bet to 480-600, and hope someone overplays AK and spaz shoves.

 

[cardsDontMatter]

For the life of me, I do not understand the min-raise from UTG (unless you have less than 15bbs and have AA, but a limp seems more enticing for someone to repop).

I digress, what does this min-raise accomplish? A pot sweetener? If I have JJ-KK, AA, I want to sweeten the pot with a lot more than a min-raise; at the same time reduce, if at all possible in a $10 game, the AceMasters. OP holds AA, so the chances of Ax min-raising UTG are less... but not entirely improbable.

So, a range on UTG is some suited connectors or 44-TT. Make them pay to come along and if they've played QQ or KK improperly, it'll be a OTTRR and you're golden... with maybe some dead money from the caller to boot.

Someone mentioned bet pot button. I wish they had that Live.

 

[DawgBones]

Either raise to 800 or shove.

If they've shown any inclination to get it in then shoving is great

rex, still learning and would appreciate your feedback. Why 800? To try and isolate 1 on 1, appear to be overbetting a weak hand hoping for a call or none of the above. I'm not trying to act like I'm knowledgeable, just want to be knowledgeable.

 

[shinedown.45]

This table is full of donks - very loose play all around.

PokerStars Game #25091189959: Tournament #140556365, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2009/02/18 16:12:21 ET
Table '140556365 164' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dakota-xx (4025 in chips)
Seat 2: Butteblack (4295 in chips)
Seat 3: westernrun (8080 in chips)
Seat 4: CoooKieZ (5310 in chips)
Seat 5: Pokestarss (3825 in chips)
Seat 6: AA6664 (5600 in chips)
Seat 7: Muri9999 (5540 in chips)
Seat 8: ACNAC (3600 in chips)
Seat 9: mishana82 (9300 in chips) is sitting out
westernrun: posts small blind 40
CoooKieZ: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Ad Ah]
Pokestarss: raises 80 to 160
Muri9999 said, "nice"
AA6664: folds
Muri9999: calls 160
ACNAC: folds
mishana82: folds
dakota-xx: ???

I'm making about a pot sized re-raise in hopes of forcing out the drawing hands here to either take the pot now of go HU with one other player.

 

[shinedown.45]

For the life of me, I do not understand the min-raise from UTG (unless you have less than 15bbs and have AA, but a limp seems more enticing for someone to repop).

A min-raise from UTG usually indicates(from a solid player) a strong hand wanting a re-pop or a weak player with a low-med PP making a feable attempt to conceal the strenth of thier hand if they hit the flop hard.

I'm making about a pot sized re-raise in hopes of forcing out the drawing hands here to either take the pot now of go HU with one other player.

 

[mlkmn5029]

i wish some1 would raise me with me holding pocket rockets. if multiple players are in, i'd shove and hope 1 of them call every time. i'd never mini raise, b/c having 3 in it is asking to be outdrawed

 

[tdude]

i would reraise it to the pot. this should get your opponent who raised to call because they probably would not if you shoved all in, so yeah i think pot reraise is your best bet. but remember aa is only a pair of aces unless you get something that helps you out so what out on the flop

 

[Sumun]

if you have been playing for a while with those players, you should know how much can them call
if you are sure somebody will call an all in then do it, if not a 4/5 bb raise should be fine

 

[Debi]

PokerStars Game #25091189959: Tournament #140556365, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2009/02/18 16:12:21 ET
Table '140556365 164' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dakota-xx (4025 in chips)
Seat 2: Butteblack (4295 in chips)
Seat 3: westernrun (8080 in chips)
Seat 4: CoooKieZ (5310 in chips)
Seat 5: Pokestarss (3825 in chips)
Seat 6: AA6664 (5600 in chips)
Seat 7: Muri9999 (5540 in chips)
Seat 8: ACNAC (3600 in chips)
Seat 9: mishana82 (9300 in chips) is sitting out
westernrun: posts small blind 40
CoooKieZ: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Ad Ah]
Pokestarss: raises 80 to 160
Muri9999 said, "nice"
AA6664: folds
Muri9999: calls 160
ACNAC: folds
mishana82: folds
dakota-xx: raises 340 to 500
Muri9999 said, "my first four of a kind on pokerstars"
Butteblack: folds
westernrun: folds
CoooKieZ: calls 420
Pokestarss: calls 340
Muri9999: calls 340
*** FLOP *** [2h Qd 5d]
CoooKieZ: checks
Pokestarss: checks
Muri9999: checks
dakota-xx: ???

 

[cardsDontMatter]

The diamonds are a pain here (though you have the nut RR). This is, with less sophisticated players at your table, a perfect time for someone with two diamonds to check/shove... the new No Limit Holdem "aggression" play.

Great time to just make an outrageous bet, like T1943.41.. you're gonna get them chips in anyway, may as well make it fun.

 

[yoru72]

I would bet about 4x the original raise, trying to simulate a squeeze attempt (if you use this kind of play). Or just 3x praying for just one caller.

After flop, with two diamonds I would cbet about 3/4 pot and shove against any raise (if someone hit a set... is poker).

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

If the play at the table is very loose like Deb says you are looking at a big range of hands being played. The table is going to take lots of chances playing med.PP. I would shove knowing I will get one of the 2 to call. And I just want 1 not 2 following me.
As for c9's question, I would look at them as weak but gullible, if Deb's reads are right.

 

[amclb]

they all checked, I would raise the pot and pray no one got a set of queens