A Definite Answer

[vanquish]

Nuffin.

Just call, pretty cheap, some will say headsup, but your ISOLATED! That should be what you wanted, open raise like!

DOH, dblDOH!

guys i have a confession to make. p0K35 is my gimmick account.

 

[switch0723]

and mine, we share him

 

[WVHillbilly]

guys i have a confession to make. p0K35 is my gimmick account.

If that's the case that account really should be closed then. I know I'll be sorry to see it go but those are the rules.

 

[CAPT. ZIGZAG]

djgolfcan said, "wow, I cant believe i am folding this"

Great fold. Talk about dodging a bullet.

Did you have a read?


---:icon_sant

 

[jyow]

i was gonna open a thread to ask about this hand but this thread seems to be about the same thing. first hand in the sit n go.

full tilt poker Game #9422473081: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (71959963), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:36:52 ET - 2008/12/10
Seat 1: oso111808 (1,515)
Seat 2: ARROWMAN (1,170)
Seat 3: bigdlittleg (1,740)
Seat 4: tv23 (1,695)
Seat 5: jyow (1,425)
Seat 6: O23D (1,815)
Seat 7: RobertLaak (1,440)
Seat 8: hrvman15 (1,270)
Seat 9: HMH234 (1,430)
HMH234 posts the small blind of 20
oso111808 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jyow [Kd As]
ARROWMAN folds
bigdlittleg folds
tv23 folds
jyow raises to 120
O23D folds
RobertLaak folds
hrvman15 calls 120
HMH234 folds
oso111808 calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Qh Kh 8c]
oso111808 bets 280
jyow has 15 seconds left to act
jyow calls 280
hrvman15 calls 280
*** TURN *** [Qh Kh 8c] [3c]
oso111808 bets 480
jyow has 15 seconds left to act
jyow raises to 1,025, and is all in
hrvman15 folds
oso111808 calls 545
jyow shows [Kd As]
oso111808 shows [Qs Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Kh 8c 3c] [6c]
jyow shows a pair of Kings
oso111808 shows three of a kind, Queens
oso111808 wins the pot (3,270) with three of a kind, Queens
jyow stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,270 | Rake 0
Board: [Qh Kh 8c 3c 6c]
Seat 1: oso111808 (big blind) showed [Qs Qd] and won (3,270) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 2: ARROWMAN didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: bigdlittleg didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: tv23 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: jyow showed [Kd As] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: O23D didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: RobertLaak didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: hrvman15 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: HMH234 (small blind) folded before the Flop

i know i lost a flip but did i play it right? is it profitable in the long run? it seems that the op may be right about the fact that hands that play back most likely are big pocket pairs...

 

[pedroman7]

This look like a coin flip at best and the first hand of a tournament is not a good time for coin flips at least not with so little invested. You can call and see a flop but if you hit the flop you will only get act if your behind most of the time. So call i think calling is marginal and moving in is just crazy. Maybe if you had a read it may be different but i think folding is the best play.

 

[switch0723]

i was gonna open a thread to ask about this hand but this thread seems to be about the same thing. first hand in the sit n go.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9422473081: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (71959963), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:36:52 ET - 2008/12/10
Seat 1: oso111808 (1,515)
Seat 2: ARROWMAN (1,170)
Seat 3: bigdlittleg (1,740)
Seat 4: tv23 (1,695)
Seat 5: jyow (1,425)
Seat 6: O23D (1,815)
Seat 7: RobertLaak (1,440)
Seat 8: hrvman15 (1,270)
Seat 9: HMH234 (1,430)
HMH234 posts the small blind of 20
oso111808 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jyow [Kd As]
ARROWMAN folds
bigdlittleg folds
tv23 folds
jyow raises to 120
O23D folds
RobertLaak folds
hrvman15 calls 120
HMH234 folds
oso111808 calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Qh Kh 8c]
oso111808 bets 280
jyow has 15 seconds left to act
jyow calls 280
hrvman15 calls 280
*** TURN *** [Qh Kh 8c] 3♣
oso111808 bets 480
jyow has 15 seconds left to act
jyow raises to 1,025, and is all in
hrvman15 folds
oso111808 calls 545
jyow shows [Kd As]
oso111808 shows [Qs Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Kh 8c 3c] 6♣
jyow shows a pair of Kings
oso111808 shows three of a kind, Queens
oso111808 wins the pot (3,270) with three of a kind, Queens
jyow stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,270 | Rake 0
Board: [Qh Kh 8c 3c 6c]
Seat 1: oso111808 (big blind) showed [Qs Qd] and won (3,270) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 2: ARROWMAN didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: bigdlittleg didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: tv23 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: jyow showed [Kd As] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: O23D didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: RobertLaak didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: hrvman15 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: HMH234 (small blind) folded before the Flop

i know i lost a flip but did i play it right? is it profitable in the long run? it seems that the op may be right about the fact that hands that play back most likely are big pocket pairs...

no you didnt lose a coin flip, post it in a thread of its own and you will see why

 

[GoBilliards]

This appears to be the first hand of the game, and presumably we have no reads ?

If your assessment is correct, and villain will usually have QQ or JJ (which would be a coinflip), and sometimes AA, KK (which would make you underdog), then calling is going to lose you money in the long term and you should fold.

I suspect, however, that his range is wider than that. My instinct is to call. If I win and take an early chiplead, my chances of dominating the table and winning the tourney are greatly improved.

If I lose and bust out early, I shrug and move on to the next game. I have not wasted much of my time.

EGON...Ive played with you. Your chances of dominating anything but a donkey roost are near zero...LOL kidding

 

[Egon Towst]

EGON...Ive played with you.

Can`t say I recall that. Apparently it wasn`t on one of my better days.

 

[brianvoytek]

I would've just flat called there. Way to early for a shove. Call and look at a flop. You can't read him If it's the first hand. He could've had A/Q maybe even 10/10 and in that case you're a coin flip.

Worth a shot.

 

[jyow]

no you didnt lose a coin flip, post it in a thread of its own and you will see why

i know that at the time i shipped it in it wasn't a coin flip situation, although preflop it was. i guess i just said that because i've been losing a lot of flips lately and also was thinking of shoving it in preflop.

 

[vanquish]

 

[GoBilliards]

flop is semiscarry. Flush draw straight draw. Calling is not an option if you like money. raise or fold 4 sure.

 

[kidkagoule]

Just ship AK here and hope he doesn't turn over AA

 

[silverslugger33]

In the long run, I think folding is the better choice. Yes, a couple of times, you will throw away the best hand, but more often than not you're beat and you don't really lose that much if you get away from it there.