7Stud Freeroll @ PS: Are flushes ever ranked by suit?

[Lana_Faith]

I was playing in a tournament, and we experienced this hand...

pokerstars Game #12228425705: Tournament #61339797, Freeroll 7 Card Stud Limit - Level XI (1000/2000) - 2007/09/23 - 16:51:38 (ET)
Table '61339797 169' 8-max
Seat 1: navy rum (7364 in chips)
Seat 2: what lefty (16620 in chips)
Seat 3: GooglePog (20803 in chips)
Seat 4: PaN1c-uk (22008 in chips)
Seat 5: mrs50murf (2096 in chips)
Seat 6: cat605 (5008 in chips)
Seat 7: sleepy1961 (6735 in chips)
Seat 8: lanafaith (24157 in chips)
navy rum: posts the ante 200
what lefty: posts the ante 200
GooglePog: posts the ante 200
PaN1c-uk: posts the ante 200
mrs50murf: posts the ante 200
cat605: posts the ante 200
sleepy1961: posts the ante 200
lanafaith: posts the ante 200
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to navy rum [8c]
Dealt to what lefty [5c]
Dealt to GooglePog [Tc]
Dealt to PaN1c-uk [Jc]
Dealt to mrs50murf [7c]
Dealt to cat605 [As]
Dealt to sleepy1961 [5s]
Dealt to lanafaith [7h Ah Qh]
what lefty: brings in for 300
GooglePog: folds
PaN1c-uk: folds
mrs50murf: folds
cat605: calls 300
sleepy1961: calls 300
lanafaith: calls 300
navy rum: calls 300
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to navy rum [8c] [Js]
Dealt to what lefty [5c] [8s]
Dealt to cat605 [As] [2h]
Dealt to sleepy1961 [5s] [2s]
Dealt to lanafaith [7h Ah Qh] [4h]
cat605: checks
sleepy1961: checks
lanafaith: checks
navy rum: checks
what lefty: checks
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to navy rum [8c Js] [Ad]
Dealt to what lefty [5c 8s] [7d]
Dealt to cat605 [As 2h] [2d]
Dealt to sleepy1961 [5s 2s] [5h]
Dealt to lanafaith [7h Ah Qh 4h] [8h]
sleepy1961: checks
lanafaith: checks
navy rum: bets 2000
what lefty: calls 2000
cat605: folds
sleepy1961: calls 2000
lanafaith: raises 2000 to 4000
navy rum: folds
what lefty: calls 2000
sleepy1961: calls 2000
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to what lefty [5c 8s 7d] [4d]
Dealt to sleepy1961 [5s 2s 5h] [7s]
Dealt to lanafaith [7h Ah Qh 4h 8h] [Kh]
sleepy1961: checks
lanafaith: bets 2000
what lefty: folds
sleepy1961 said, "'i have a fluch also"
sleepy1961: folds
lanafaith collected 17100 from pot
lanafaith: shows [7h Ah Qh 4h 8h Kh] (a flush, Ace high)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17100 | Rake 0
Seat 1: navy rum folded on the 5th Street
Seat 2: what lefty folded on the 6th Street
Seat 3: GooglePog folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: PaN1c-uk folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mrs50murf folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cat605 folded on the 5th Street
Seat 7: sleepy1961 folded on the 6th Street
Seat 8: lanafaith collected (17100)

Basically, what it came down to was me and one other player suspected we had two flushes, and if he pulled the right card (the Ace of spades) we suspected that we would have VERY similar flushes, down to several individual ranked cards. The question that I have is, suppose we had IDENTICAL flushes, in terms of number rank, what would happen? Are the suits ranked in 7-card games? Would a AKQ87hearts flush beat an AKQ87 spades flush, or vice versa? Or would it simply tie and split the pot? No one at the tables seemed to know, and we had quite a lively discussion about it. What do you guys think? I've sent a letter off to PS support, so we'll hear back from the "experts" soon.

 

[beardyian]

No suits are not ranked in favour over another

Flushes are ranked by who has the higher cards as you had 'AKQ87hearts'
the only flush that could beat yours would have to have 'AKQJ,10 or 9then the 8


Another example :
You hold A,J,9,8,4 of any suit
Opponent has A,J,9,8,7 of any suit they would win by having a slightly higher run.

This is the same for any poker game.

 

[pigpen02]

No suits are not ranked in favour over another

Flushes are ranked by who has the higher cards as you had 'AKQ87hearts'
the only flush that could beat yours would have to have 'AKQJ,10 or 9then the 8


Another example :
You hold A,J,9,8,4 of any suit
Opponent has A,J,9,8,7 of any suit they would win by having a slightly higher run.

This is the same for any poker game.

That was not the question. The question is if someone has A,J,9,8,4 of spades and the opponent has A,J,9,8,4 of hearts, who wins?

 

[Lana_Faith]

That was not the question. The question is if someone has A,J,9,8,4 of spades and the opponent has A,J,9,8,4 of hearts, who wins?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^this

 

[beardyian]

Split pot a and lot of 'wow's & 'lol's typed

 

[beardyian]

Dealt to sleepy1961 [5s 2s 5h] 7♠
Dealt to lanafaith [7h Ah Qh 4h 8h] K♥
lanafaith: shows [7h Ah Qh 4h 8h Kh] (a flush, Ace high)

Basically, what it came down to was me and one other player suspected we had two flushes, and if he pulled the right card (the Ace of spades) we suspected that we would have VERY similar flushes, down to several individual ranked cards.

If you look at what his cards are and think he has at most A+K hidden, with the 752 showing = AK752
your hand is crushing his as you already hold AKQ87 so even if he gets a Q on the river - your hand still wins

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

split pot.

note the chances of two exactly equal flushes being dealt is so minutely small that it wouldn't surprise me if stud was played for a long time without any rule for this situation in place, heh.

 

[Lana_Faith]

If you look at what his cards are and think he has at most A+K hidden, with the 752 showing = AK752
your hand is crushing his as you already hold AKQ87 so even if he gets a Q on the river - your hand still wins

Yes i know. note I played my hand by betting into his flush, knowing I had the better one.

 

[Lana_Faith]

split pot.

note the chances of two exactly equal flushes being dealt is so minutely small that it wouldn't surprise me if stud was played for a long time without any rule for this situation in place, heh.

The official answer is quite close to what Dorkus has said.

Hello Lana,

Thank you for contacting us.

In the case you both would have had the same flush, the pot would have
been split. In the case of our Poker Room, suits are not taken into
consideration to determine the winner of a pot, whenever cases like this
may occur.

If you would like more information on the value of hands, please visit us
at Poker Hand Ranks - Hand Rankings - Texas Holdem Rank of Hands

We hope this clarifies your inquiry; if you have any further questions, do
not hesitate in writing us back.

Regards,

Melania

 

[OzExorcist]

Guess you've got your answer

The only time suit ranking comes into things in stud is determining who has the bring-in: if two players both have, say, a four showing as the lowest door card, the one with the lower suit brings it in.

The suits are ranked (highest to lowest): spades, hearts, diamonds, clubs. This is easier to remember than it seems, because they're in reverse alphabetical order.

I only mention this because it seems to be the other thing people like to argue about in stud without knowing the actual answer: sooooo many people seem to think it has something to do with the dealer button...

 

[Lana_Faith]

Guess you've got your answer

The only time suit ranking comes into things in stud is determining who has the bring-in: if two players both have, say, a four showing as the lowest door card, the one with the lower suit brings it in.

The suits are ranked (highest to lowest): spades, hearts, diamonds, clubs. This is easier to remember than it seems, because they're in reverse alphabetical order.

I only mention this because it seems to be the other thing people like to argue about in stud without knowing the actual answer: sooooo many people seem to think it has something to do with the dealer button...

Yeah, it's that rule that got me thinking about how identical flushes would play out. Apparently suits are *only* ranked when deciding who is first to bring in.