$.50 NLHE MTT: Tough spot for me

[tzuriel]

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I find these spots really hard. Especially in micros where people are likely to do anything. With no relevant blockers, I can't imagine my TP is still good. That 2s on the River has to be one of the worst cards for me. How do you play this? Should I fold to the bet on the Flop?


NL Holdem $0.50+$0.05 (1600.00BB)
BTN ($89248)
SB ($27199)
HERO ($98571)
UTG ($68365)
HJ ($41954)
CO ($12685)

Dealt to Hero: Q♦ K♥

UTG Raises To $3395, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $12685 (allin), BTN Calls $12490, SB Folds, HERO Calls $10890, UTG Calls $9290

Hero SPR on Flop: [0 effective]
Flop ($51930): 6♦ 8♠ 7♠
HERO Checks, UTG Checks, BTN Bets $6400 (Rem. Stack: $70163), HERO Calls $6400 (Rem. Stack: $79486), UTG Calls $6400 (Rem. Stack: $49280)

Turn ($71130): 6♦ 8♠ 7♠ K♠
HERO Checks, UTG Checks, BTN Bets $8800 (Rem. Stack: $61363), HERO Calls $8800 (Rem. Stack: $70686), UTG Folds

River ($88730): 6♦ 8♠ 7♠ K♠ 2♠
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $31973 (Rem. Stack: $29390), HERO Folds

Spoiler

BTN shows: 4♦ A♦
CO shows: 8♣ Q♣

CO wins: $51930
BTN wins: $36800

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
With this action in front of you, for me KQo would be a very easy fold. You are out of position against everybody, you are not getting a good price at all, and your hand is not even all that strong.

Flop
Getting almost 10:1 I guess, you have to call, even though you could be drawing dead to a straight. The whole spot is so weird, that I could get on board with a fold though, but it would have been much better to fold preflop.

Turn
You improve to top pair, and BTN makes another silly 10% pot bet. There are 3 cards to both a flush and straight now, but such a small bet does not look strong, and you have less than a pot sized bet left. So having gotten this far, I am just sticking in all the chips now, and then come what may. You can easily get called by worse, mainly a number of draws, and if they fold those draws and give up their equity, thats cool as well.

River
As played an easy check-fold. Even though BTN is still betting relatively small, its big compared to, what he was doing before, and this line just scream, that he was trying to see the next cards for cheap, but now he got there and is going for value. No need to pay people off, when they are giving off massive bet sizing tells.

 

[dallam]

I'm nearly only playing on micro levels on PS. As much as people have light actions, much limped ones, many calls - a raise from UTG & a shove & a call is something you should take more wisely. KQo is not a massive pre hand, and in a 3-4 way it is almost guaranteed that you are gonna loose with it.
My biggest problem is that if you hit your K or Q as a top pair, I don't see that if you calling that wide, you will be able to fold to the draws or set (just like here), so you level yourself into such a big action with two overs.
You may see this as you review your call on pre so deep and continuing on the flop with no combination at all, only hoping to hit your overcards.
So my advice here is be careful with KQ against 2 or + players shove, only may jump into it if their stacks and your position let you in some time.

 

[tzuriel]

Thanks to both of you. Your analysis comfirmed my review as well. Should have folded pre

 

[eetenor]

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

I find these spots really hard. Especially in micros where people are likely to do anything. With no relevant blockers, I can't imagine my TP is still good. That 2s on the River has to be one of the worst cards for me. How do you play this? Should I fold to the bet on the Flop?


NL Holdem $0.50+$0.05 (1600.00BB)
BTN ($89248)
SB ($27199)
HERO ($98571)
UTG ($68365)
HJ ($41954)
CO ($12685)

Dealt to Hero: Q♦ K♥

UTG Raises To $3395, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $12685 (allin), BTN Calls $12490, SB Folds, HERO Calls $10890, UTG Calls $9290

Hero SPR on Flop: [0 effective]
Flop ($51930): 6♦ 8♠ 7♠
HERO Checks, UTG Checks, BTN Bets $6400 (Rem. Stack: $70163), HERO Calls $6400 (Rem. Stack: $79486), UTG Calls $6400 (Rem. Stack: $49280)

Turn ($71130): 6♦ 8♠ 7♠ K♠
HERO Checks, UTG Checks, BTN Bets $8800 (Rem. Stack: $61363), HERO Calls $8800 (Rem. Stack: $70686), UTG Folds

River ($88730): 6♦ 8♠ 7♠ K♠ 2♠
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $31973 (Rem. Stack: $29390), HERO Folds

Spoiler

BTN shows: 4♦ A♦
CO shows: 8♣ Q♣

CO wins: $51930
BTN wins: $36800

Thank you for posting

Whenever we are facing a 3-bet cold the first thing we have to think about is hand domination. KQoff is a hand that is not winning stacks in a situation like this post flop.
If we get stacks in post flop with top pair we are most likely to be shown AA KK AK or set than we are to be shown KJ or KT.

When we call the 3-bet the pot is live the UTG can shove all-in and we would have to fold we do not want to play for our stack preflop with KQoff

There are now 3 V live IP in this pot if UTG calls and KQoff is not a great multiway hand.
So we are hoping to flop two pair to be confident that we are a ahead. That is not the best spot to be in.

The above data says the KQ is a fold preflop.

As played the KQ is 100% fold flop. Why? We have to think about the V doing what they did which is bluffing us out of this pot another reason not to call 3 bets OOP multiway vs wild players.

If you want to know was there anything you could do to win this pot then the answer is to attack the turn. You would need to lead the turn or XR the turn with a large sizing. A very high risk play.

We drive ourselves crazy if we focus on the results of single hands. We have to have a plan that helps us in most situations and not calling preflop is that plan.

Hope this helps

 

[fundiver199]

When we call the 3-bet the pot is live the UTG can shove all-in and we would have to fold we do not want to play for our stack preflop with KQoff

This is a good point, which I did not even tough on in my analysis, but its a further reason to not get involved in a spot like this without a really strong hand. With two people cold calling the jam from the short stacker, UTG has a huge incentive to jam as a squeeze to push them out the pot and play a "flip" with the short stacker with a massive overlay.

And even when that does not happen, KQo usually offer a lot of reverse implied odds in a 3-bet pot and even more so a multiway 3-bet pot. If for instance we are against someone with QQ and someone with AK, we are basically drawing dead, and if we hit top pair, its a disaster for us.