$5 NLHE MTT: How would you have played this? (did people just donk and get lucky?)

[Axmanace]

$5 NLHE MTT: How would you have played this? (did people just donk and get lucky?)

pokerstars, $4.55 + $0.45 - Hold'em No Limit - 100/200 (25 ante) - 7 players
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riverrat5729 (UTG): 224 (1 bb)
BigStacks765 (MP): 17,071 (85 bb)
MOEE632 (MP+1): 5,025 (25 bb)
ski72963 (CO): 2,847 (14 bb)
axman_G (BU): 4,511 (23 bb)
Buster2701 (SB): 29,913 (150 bb)
Gutterball39 (BB): 11,385 (57 bb)

Pre-Flop: (475) Hero (axman_G) is BTN with A♠ Q♥
riverrat5729 (UTG) calls 199 (all-in), 1 fold, MOEE632 (MP+1) calls 200, 1 fold, axman_G (BU) raises to 440, 1 fold, Gutterball39 (BB) calls 240, MOEE632 (MP+1) calls 240

Flop: (1,794) 4♠ 5♠ J♦ (4 players, 1 all-in)
Gutterball39 (BB) checks, MOEE632 (MP+1) bets 1,794, axman_G (BU) calls 1,794, Gutterball39 (BB) raises to 10,920 (all-in), MOEE632 (MP+1) calls 2,766 (all-in), axman_G (BU) calls 2,252 (all-in)

Turn: (14,960) 4♥ (4 players, 4 all-in)

River: (14,960) 9♠ (4 players, 4 all-in)

Total pot: 14,960

Showdown:
Gutterball39 (BB) shows 3♠ 6♠ (a flush, Nine high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 25%, Flop: 55%, Turn: 30%, River: 100%)

MOEE632 (MP+1) shows J♣ 9♥ (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 28%, Flop: 26%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

riverrat5729 (UTG) shows 4♣ Q♣ (three of a kind, Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 14%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 65%, River: 0%)

axman_G (BU) shows A♠ Q♥ (a pair of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 10%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

Gutterball39 (BB) wins 14,960

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Making just over a min-raise is way to small, when there are already other players in the pot. With your stack size moving all-in to push everyone except UTG out of the pot is a profitable play, or you can go to around 4BB and then go from there.

Flop
You ask, if the other players just donked and got lucky, but you need to look at your own play. Why on earth are you calling here? You are involved in a multiway pot, someone is already all-in for the main pot, and you have nothing other than some backdoor draws and two overcards. You got all the chips in with 10% equity, and this is not at all surpricing, since all, someone needed to have you beat, was any pair. As played this is an easy fold, when MP+1 leads out for the full size of the pot, and you even have someone else left to act behind you.

 

[Axmanace]

Preflop
Making just over a min-raise is way to small, when there are already other players in the pot. With your stack size moving all-in to push everyone except UTG out of the pot is a profitable play, or you can go to around 4BB and then go from there.

Flop
You ask, if the other players just donked and got lucky, but you need to look at your own play. Why on earth are you calling here? You are involved in a multiway pot, someone is already all-in for the main pot, and you have nothing other than some backdoor draws and two overcards. You got all the chips in with 10% equity, and this is not at all surpricing, since all, someone needed to have you beat, was any pair. As played this is an easy fold, when MP+1 leads out for the full size of the pot, and you even have someone else left to act behind you.

I thought you should always open raise 2-3 bb.
Different scenario with limpers?

 

[Endwarfin]

I thought you should always open raise 2-3 bb.
Different scenario with limpers?

Yes, when we have limpers we should size more per limper involved.
Because limpers increase the size of the pot, a standard open does not give them a price worth folding.

In the scenario you described, the Bb is getting 6.5:1 CO is getting 7.5:1 odds to call. Which is enough equity for 72ss to call preflop knowing they are playing vs AA

A common sizing is to add 1 Bb per limper.

 

[fundiver199]

As Edwarfin explain, a standard open sizing is giving limpers to good a price to call. This hand is pretty special, because UTG is all-in for less than one blind, but lets just ignore him and pretend, he folded. Your main opponent in this hand is MP+1, who had J9o, and this hand actually has around 40% equity against AQ, so you really dont mind, if he fold preflop to a raise. Or if he still call a larger raise, you get more value, and you have position + initiative, so you can often outplay him in a pot, which is now bigger.