$5 MTT, played right or wrong?

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Ben_UK

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full tilt poker Game #5258718610: $5 + $0.50 Knockout (39872664), Table 73 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:38:57 ET - 2008/02/14
Seat 1: RakinItSince86 (23,950)
Seat 2: arfin (29,293)
Seat 3: Ben_UK (13,780)
Seat 4: nickdoit (8,250)
Seat 5: mcmorlod3 (3,380)
Seat 6: ricknkym (1,505), is sitting out
Seat 7: pil347 (21,065)
Seat 8: Dr Barn (28,480)
Seat 9: heretowin1 (8,905)
RakinItSince86 antes 100
arfin antes 100
Ben_UK antes 100
nickdoit antes 100
mcmorlod3 antes 100
ricknkym antes 100
pil347 antes 100
Dr Barn antes 100
heretowin1 antes 100
Dr Barn posts the small blind of 400
heretowin1 posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ben_UK [9d As]
RakinItSince86 folds
arfin folds
Ben_UK raises to 1,600
nickdoit folds
mcmorlod3 folds
ricknkym folds
pil347 has 15 seconds left to act
pil347 calls 1,600
Dr Barn folds
heretowin1 calls 800
*** FLOP *** [Ah Js 4h]
heretowin1 checks
Ben_UK bets 2,000
pil347 folds
heretowin1 calls 2,000
*** TURN *** [Ah Js 4h] [3s]
heretowin1 checks
Ben_UK bets 10,080, and is all in
heretowin1 calls 5,205, and is all in
Ben_UK shows [9d As]
heretowin1 shows [Jh 8h]
Uncalled bet of 4,875 returned to Ben_UK
*** RIVER *** [Ah Js 4h 3s] [Kh]
Ben_UK shows a pair of Aces
heretowin1 shows a flush, Ace high
heretowin1 wins the pot (20,510) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20,510 | Rake 0
Board: [Ah Js 4h 3s Kh]
Seat 1: RakinItSince86 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: arfin folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Ben_UK showed [9d As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: nickdoit folded before the Flop
Seat 5: mcmorlod3 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: ricknkym folded before the Flop
Seat 7: pil347 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Dr Barn (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: heretowin1 (big blind) showed [Jh 8h] and won (20,510) with a flush, Ace high

I think I played this pretty much perfectly, I knew exactly what he had and made him risk his tournament life on a 17% shot, but of course he calls that! Why not, I've got 2nd pair and a flush draw, what a donk.

Should I have raised more preflop is the question really.
 
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Bentheman87

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Yes you should have raised more preflop, look how good his pot odds were from the BB because of your min raise you almost forced him to call with a Jack 8. You should have raised to at least 2400. Btw, your opponent played it fine, he was 50% to win on the flop, he had 9+5=14 outs. On the turn he was about 30% to win, idk where you got 17%
 
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Ben_UK

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I knew that was coming, 17% is if he's just chasing the flush but he had jacks and 8s as outs as well.
 
c9h13no3

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1) A9os is crap from early position.

2) If you insist on playing it, raise more PF. At least 2000-2400.

And #1 is really the key! You have an M of about 12 & you're in early position. No sense trapping yourself with A9os.
 
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1) some people already said this, but you do need to raise more preflop. if i may quote the signature of one of the players here, "friends don't let friends min-raise".

2) bet more on the flop too. if i see it correctly, the pot was 6,100 at the time. a 2,000 continuation bet gives the flush chaser all the odds he needs, even discounting the jacks and 8s as outs, which he wouldn't know for certain (though he could make a reasonable guess).

3) on the turn, i guess he was both pot-committed already (5,205 left when he put 3,700 in already), and getting approximately the right odds to go all-in.

you played it well if you wanted to lead him on till the end for all his money. if you wanted to win the pot uncontested (which i think you should have wanted, especially after that flop), you needed more aggression. and maybe that wouldn't have worked either, because some people are ignorant about pot odds.

have fun,
-georgi

(edit) p.s. oh, and A9 offsuit is crap in your position. just fold it next time (well, unless the table has been rather tight, but i doubt that). i almost forgot to reiterate that point.
 
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CfPoker

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It's been said already but the first thing I thought was "why are you minraising in early position with A9o?"
 
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Ben_UK

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Well the answer to that is that on that table it was more than enough to get the whole table to fold with maybe 1 caller.
 
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CfPoker

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I don't think A9 is a good hand to do this with. Too often you'll be called (if not raised) by AT/AJ and can get into a lot of trouble if you flop an ace.
 
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You do realize on the flop you were behind right? After the turn it's 68-32, a little worse than 2:1. He needs to call 5205 for a pot of 3200+4000+5205 = 12405 + blinds and antes. Ignoring the blinds and antes, that's 2.3:1 odds meaning he had odds to call you on the river.

His only mistake was not raising that flop, because apparently you thought your A9 was good and probably would have called a shove when he was ahead (although you would have had odds to call the shove).
 
c9h13no3

c9h13no3

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Well the answer to that is that on that table it was more than enough to get the whole table to fold with maybe 1 caller.
What if someone shoves? There's absolutely no way you can call any sort of raise. And you're in such early position, you have no idea what the rest of the table will do. 2 players behind you could have A's & Q's for all you know. If you're going to play weak cards, you at least need the informational advantage of acting last.

I'd rather raise 8s9s from the button, than A9os from early position.
 
DetroitJimmy

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If I am in this position that deep in a tourney,I'm either folding or pushing.With your M between 6 and 7 I think these are your best options.

Personally I would have most likely folded this,waited until the next round to see if I caught a better hand to move with.If I did not then I wait for a high suited connector or gapper to move in with(in an unopened pot) like 78 threw JQ or 7 10 threw 10 Q.This way If I'm called I will be less likely to be dominated.If I get down to an M of 3 while I'm waiting to catch something,then I just go back to the pages of HOH 2 and push an unopened pot with almost any two cards.I will not push with 7 2 or smaller.Any other 2 I'm going in with.

This is just how I play most of the times deep into an MTT.It may not be optimal strategy,but it works for me.

BTW,I would never stick a min raise into that size of a pot in that position.I mean never.
 
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