Ok i will end the debate and concede that v-betting this board may be appropriate (although to say it doesn't get any clearer than this is mind-blowing since I can think of half a dozen hands that I wouldn't even give thought about not betting here but whatever).
I do however ask Wizz this? You really snap off a call of a shove over our v-bet and don't feel uncomfortable at all I mean you did notice that this is like the 3rd hand of the game right? The pot is like 1200 on the river, our stack is around 900ish or something... so yeah, i want to win that pot! The fact that it's the third hand makes this even easier, we can pretty much assume from what we've seen that this guy is terrible, it's a $5 game, and he raised 8x... it's possible he misclicked, but i think we have to assume the more likely scenario that this guy is probably pretty bad.
I'm not saying i would have ended up here on the river with TP and a pot size shove left, and i wouldn't be thrilled about it, but that's the debate. So yeah, if i value bet here, it would usually be a shove, but i feel like his range is weighted towards weakness. So i'd make it smaller in the hopes that it won't scare him off like a shove might, and also in the hopes that he might just spazz out and shove on me, thinking i might fold. I just prefer to put an amount out there that gives me decent value, allows him to make more mistakes, and pays my value bet off on a much higher frequency than a shove might. If he has us beat, we do save money by checking, but more often i would think that we are just leaving money out there
I would also like to state that the only poker I have played since BF(before though played thousands of 5 dollar sngs) is a little live and league games so I may be a bit out of touch with how the majority of ppl play at the $5 level.
Same here
Also league games grant increasing points for each ascending place so ICM is a factor even early in the tourney so this may be affecting my judgement on this hand as well.ICM isn't much of an issue in league games, you have so many chips and such big blinds that you can just disregard it for most of the game if you want too. There's just a lot of time for skill and more importantly aggression to shine through in those games.
Do we not play against ranges anymore? Of course they were in his range (although I'd weight it in terms of QQ-AA rather than doing a straight combos calculation) but he had more hands we beat in his range.ok not to be all results oriented or anything but did I not say several times that I could see villain taking this line with QQ-AA.
