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pokerstars Hand # 222244733508: Tournament # 3067419888, $ 2.40 + $ 2.50 + $ 0.60 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVIII (25000/50000) - 2021/01/04 20:45:12 ART [2021/01/04 18:45: 12 ET]
Table '3067419888 1933' 9-max Seat # 5 is button
Seat 1: sakelee666 (787381 in chips, $ 37.10 reward)
Seat 2: TsibisIT (1633250 in chips, $ 17.33 reward)
Seat 3: Marianex.BJ (2269968 in chips, $ 48.51 reward)
Seat 4: firebirdproj (2609858 in chips, $ 32.90 reward)
Seat 5: Topetersons (1941 027 in chips, $ 17.48 reward)
Seat 6: Don Deschi (338193 in chips, $ 40.11 reward)
Seat 7: ZacapaXO17 (2301231 in chips, $ 50.96 reward)
Seat 8: log-1960 (973310 in chips, $ 5.62 reward)
Seat 9: stamos2326 (1432270 in chips, $ 24.86 reward)
sakelee666: Publish the ante 6000
TsibisIT: publish the ante 6000
Marianex.BJ: Publish the ante 6000
firebirdproj: publish ante 6000
topetersons: post the ante 6000
Don Deschi: publica el ante 6000
ZacapaXO17: publica la ante 6000
log-1960: publish ante 6000
stamos2326: publish the ante 6000
Don Deschi: Small Blind Posts 25000
ZacapaXO17: 50000 big blind posts
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Deal for Marianex.BJ [Js Td]
log-1960: folds
stamos2326: folds
sakelee666: folds
TsibisIT: pleats
Marianex.BJ: increases from 55000 to 105000
firebirdproj: folds
topetersons: pliegues
Don Deschi: pliegues
ZacapaXO17: 55000 calls
*** FLOP *** [8c 3d Jd]
ZacapaXO17: controls
Marianex.BJ: bets 92,480
ZacapaXO17: calls 92480
*** GIRO *** [8c 3d Jd] [Tc]
ZacapaXO17: bets 345991
Marianex.BJ: calls 345991
*** RÍO *** [8c 3d Jd Tc] 8♠
ZacapaXO17: bet 1751760 and is all-in
Marianex.BJ timed out.
Marianex.BJ: folds
Marianex.BJ stays out
Bet not called (1751760) returned to ZacapaXO17
ZacapaXO17 collected 1165942 from pot
ZacapaXO17: does not show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total jackpot 1165942 | Rake 0
Tablero [8c 3d Jd Tc 8s]
Seat 1: sakelee666 folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 2: TsibisIT folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 3: Marianex.BJ bent over the river
Seat 4: firebirdproj folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 5: topetersons (button) doubled before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 6: Don Deschi (small blind) folds before the flop
Seat 7: ZacapaXO17 (big blind) picked up (1165942)
Seat 8: log-1960 folded before the flop (I didn't bet)
Seat 9: stamos2326 folded before the flop (did not bet)

What do you think of this hand? I didn't have much data on the rival, I think that bluff only has a failed flush project, although I don't know if he plays it that way. I read your comments
 
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PokerStars Hand # 222244733508: Tournament # 3067419888, $ 2.40 + $ 2.50 + $ 0.60 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVIII (25000/50000) - 2021/01/04 20:45:12 ART [2021/01/04 18:45: 12 ET]
Table '3067419888 1933' 9-max Seat # 5 is button
Seat 1: sakelee666 (787381 in chips, $ 37.10 reward)
Seat 2: TsibisIT (1633250 in chips, $ 17.33 reward)
Seat 3: Marianex.BJ (2269968 in chips, $ 48.51 reward)
Seat 4: firebirdproj (2609858 in chips, $ 32.90 reward)
Seat 5: Topetersons (1941 027 in chips, $ 17.48 reward)
Seat 6: Don Deschi (338193 in chips, $ 40.11 reward)
Seat 7: ZacapaXO17 (2301231 in chips, $ 50.96 reward)
Seat 8: log-1960 (973310 in chips, $ 5.62 reward)
Seat 9: stamos2326 (1432270 in chips, $ 24.86 reward)
sakelee666: Publish the ante 6000
TsibisIT: publish the ante 6000
Marianex.BJ: Publish the ante 6000
firebirdproj: publish ante 6000
topetersons: post the ante 6000
Don Deschi: publica el ante 6000
ZacapaXO17: publica la ante 6000
log-1960: publish ante 6000
stamos2326: publish the ante 6000
Don Deschi: Small Blind Posts 25000
ZacapaXO17: 50000 big blind posts
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Deal for Marianex.BJ [Js Td]
log-1960: folds
stamos2326: folds
sakelee666: folds
TsibisIT: pleats
Marianex.BJ: increases from 55000 to 105000
firebirdproj: folds
topetersons: pliegues
Don Deschi: pliegues
ZacapaXO17: 55000 calls
*** FLOP *** [8c 3d Jd]
ZacapaXO17: controls
Marianex.BJ: bets 92,480
ZacapaXO17: calls 92480
*** GIRO *** [8c 3d Jd] [Tc]
ZacapaXO17: bets 345991
Marianex.BJ: calls 345991
*** RÍO *** [8c 3d Jd Tc] 8♠
ZacapaXO17: bet 1751760 and is all-in
Marianex.BJ timed out.
Marianex.BJ: folds
Marianex.BJ stays out
Bet not called (1751760) returned to ZacapaXO17
ZacapaXO17 collected 1165942 from pot
ZacapaXO17: does not show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total jackpot 1165942 | Rake 0
Tablero [8c 3d Jd Tc 8s]
Seat 1: sakelee666 folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 2: TsibisIT folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 3: Marianex.BJ bent over the river
Seat 4: firebirdproj folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 5: topetersons (button) doubled before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 6: Don Deschi (small blind) folds before the flop
Seat 7: ZacapaXO17 (big blind) picked up (1165942)
Seat 8: log-1960 folded before the flop (I didn't bet)
Seat 9: stamos2326 folded before the flop (did not bet)

What do you think of this hand? I didn't have much data on the rival, I think that bluff only has a failed flush project, although I don't know if he plays it that way. I read your comments


I think the river fold is fine. Very complicated hand. I can think of a raise on the turn. But I think the rival had a set or straight.
 
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I am fine with the pre flop raise and as you already probably noticed there was a small jam stack in the SB which could go in light there but know if they go in you have to call. I doubt you would make the mistake of folding there but I have been seeing it a lot lately when I have been able to play.

On the flop I dont like down betting there as you did. I would bet more, somewhere around half pot or so since we want to charge villain to continue with their flush draws, any type of straight draw that is possible and their one overcard hands. Since we dont know the villain they could be a floater as well so might as well try to extract value out of them. If they have nothing and fold to a hypothetical half pot bet they probably would have folded anyway to a smaller bet. We could be dominated here as well or been outflopped but that is the risk we take playing J10 offsuit so I still like a bigger bet to get more value when we are ahead here.

The turn is weird since they donk lead here. Not sure what is up with this bet as it could be a set that slowplayed, it could be a draw that is initiating a weird semi bluff or it could be just a bluff in general. I think Q9 is possible but unlikely here so I would be thinking I am ahead or against a set here. Raising is interesting since it would be charging the draws that are semi bluffing. I think I would just call here (could be a mistake on my part) and see what the river brings.

River is a good card for us I think since I dont see a ton of 8x hands from villain although they could be defending wide against basically a min raise but all the flushes missed and the 8 brings up another set blocker on top of the two we already have. I see villain with 33 here, a huge bluff., some 8x or could even have J10 themself. This is a tough spot and would help to know something about villain but I think knowing nothing about villain you can decide here how you feel against the field. If you think you can obtain chips somewhat easily and are generally better than the field then you dont have to risk it here. If you feel like you are overmatched or have a few players to your left that are sticking it to you then I would be onboard with making the huge hero call.
 
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Preflop
JTo is a pretty marginal open from HJ, and I would definitely not do it, if you had loose players to your left. But if they were all tight, I can get on board with it.

Flop
On such a wet board I definitely prefer a larger bet size of at least half pot. I could also get on board with something even larger like 2/3 pot.

Turn
Here is where, the hand get interesting of course, because now the opponent makes a fairly big donk bet. This could mean a lot of different things. Maybe he just got there on his gutshot draw (Q9 or 97), and now he dont want you to check back, because the board is so dynamic. This is definitely possible, especially when your flop bet was so small, kind of giving him the implied odds, he needed, especially with Q9, which also had an overcard.

He could also have JT (same hand) or T8, that made two pair. Or a set, which got scared of the even wetter board and did not want you to check back. Or maybe he picked up backdoor clubs and decided to bluff at it. Or he took a weird line with frontdoor diamonds. Folding top two is definitely not an option yet, but I do agree, its just a call. If you start raising, you will mainly get action from the hands, that have you beat.

River
On the surface the 8 looks like a bad card for you, because now you also lose to trips or an overpair. But in reality the only likely hands, that improved on the 8, were T8 and 33, and you were already losing to 33. Maybe he could have 98 as well, but its very weird to turn that hand into a bluff, because it play so well as a check-call. The overpairs would have been 3-bet preflop, and he is highly unlikely to be donk betting the turn with hands like A8 or K8, that were just a naked third pair. At the same time all the draws missed, which is an argument for finding at least some hero calls.

But with that being said boats and straights are definitely possible, and in my experience a river overbet is usually skewed towards value in micro and low stakes MTTs. Few players are actually going to pull the trigger and risk essentially their entire stack with a busted flushdraw. So without reads on the opponent I would default fold here. Its regrettable having to fold a hand as strong as top two, but as the action went down, I think, it was the right decision.
 
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I think once I make 2 pr on the turn, I'm going to jam over his donk bet.
 
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PokerStars Hand # 222244733508: Tournament # 3067419888, $ 2.40 + $ 2.50 + $ 0.60 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVIII (25000/50000) - 2021/01/04 20:45:12 ART [2021/01/04 18:45: 12 ET]
Table '3067419888 1933' 9-max Seat # 5 is button
Seat 1: sakelee666 (787381 in chips, $ 37.10 reward)
Seat 2: TsibisIT (1633250 in chips, $ 17.33 reward)
Seat 3: Marianex.BJ (2269968 in chips, $ 48.51 reward)
Seat 4: firebirdproj (2609858 in chips, $ 32.90 reward)
Seat 5: Topetersons (1941 027 in chips, $ 17.48 reward)
Seat 6: Don Deschi (338193 in chips, $ 40.11 reward)
Seat 7: ZacapaXO17 (2301231 in chips, $ 50.96 reward)
Seat 8: log-1960 (973310 in chips, $ 5.62 reward)
Seat 9: stamos2326 (1432270 in chips, $ 24.86 reward)
sakelee666: Publish the ante 6000
TsibisIT: publish the ante 6000
Marianex.BJ: Publish the ante 6000
firebirdproj: publish ante 6000
topetersons: post the ante 6000
Don Deschi: publica el ante 6000
ZacapaXO17: publica la ante 6000
log-1960: publish ante 6000
stamos2326: publish the ante 6000
Don Deschi: Small Blind Posts 25000
ZacapaXO17: 50000 big blind posts
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Deal for Marianex.BJ [Js Td]
log-1960: folds
stamos2326: folds
sakelee666: folds
TsibisIT: pleats
Marianex.BJ: increases from 55000 to 105000
firebirdproj: folds
topetersons: pliegues
Don Deschi: pliegues
ZacapaXO17: 55000 calls
*** FLOP *** [8c 3d Jd]
ZacapaXO17: controls
Marianex.BJ: bets 92,480
ZacapaXO17: calls 92480
*** GIRO *** [8c 3d Jd] [Tc]
ZacapaXO17: bets 345991
Marianex.BJ: calls 345991
*** RÍO *** [8c 3d Jd Tc] 8♠
ZacapaXO17: bet 1751760 and is all-in
Marianex.BJ timed out.
Marianex.BJ: folds
Marianex.BJ stays out
Bet not called (1751760) returned to ZacapaXO17
ZacapaXO17 collected 1165942 from pot
ZacapaXO17: does not show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total jackpot 1165942 | Rake 0
Tablero [8c 3d Jd Tc 8s]
Seat 1: sakelee666 folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 2: TsibisIT folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 3: Marianex.BJ bent over the river
Seat 4: firebirdproj folded before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 5: topetersons (button) doubled before the flop (did not bet)
Seat 6: Don Deschi (small blind) folds before the flop
Seat 7: ZacapaXO17 (big blind) picked up (1165942)
Seat 8: log-1960 folded before the flop (I didn't bet)
Seat 9: stamos2326 folded before the flop (did not bet)

What do you think of this hand? I didn't have much data on the rival, I think that bluff only has a failed flush project, although I don't know if he plays it that way. I read your comments

Check and call flop, check call turn and check fold river if allin
 
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Check and call flop, check call turn and check fold river if allin


I think that line is the one that I like the least, I think it is very committed with the pot already on the turn. If I think I'm going up in the hand, I think my move is push and deny equity to his AK, AQ.
 
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I am fine with the pre flop raise and as you already probably noticed there was a small jam stack in the SB which could go in light there but know if they go in you have to call. I doubt you would make the mistake of folding there but I have been seeing it a lot lately when I have been able to play.

On the flop I dont like down betting there as you did. I would bet more, somewhere around half pot or so since we want to charge villain to continue with their flush draws, any type of straight draw that is possible and their one overcard hands. Since we dont know the villain they could be a floater as well so might as well try to extract value out of them. If they have nothing and fold to a hypothetical half pot bet they probably would have folded anyway to a smaller bet. We could be dominated here as well or been outflopped but that is the risk we take playing J10 offsuit so I still like a bigger bet to get more value when we are ahead here.

The turn is weird since they donk lead here. Not sure what is up with this bet as it could be a set that slowplayed, it could be a draw that is initiating a weird semi bluff or it could be just a bluff in general. I think Q9 is possible but unlikely here so I would be thinking I am ahead or against a set here. Raising is interesting since it would be charging the draws that are semi bluffing. I think I would just call here (could be a mistake on my part) and see what the river brings.

River is a good card for us I think since I dont see a ton of 8x hands from villain although they could be defending wide against basically a min raise but all the flushes missed and the 8 brings up another set blocker on top of the two we already have. I see villain with 33 here, a huge bluff., some 8x or could even have J10 themself. This is a tough spot and would help to know something about villain but I think knowing nothing about villain you can decide here how you feel against the field. If you think you can obtain chips somewhat easily and are generally better than the field then you dont have to risk it here. If you feel like you are overmatched or have a few players to your left that are sticking it to you then I would be onboard with making the huge hero call.


Very good analysis, it helps me and I value it a lot, it is good to have this type of feedback, it helps to think more broadly than one achieves with his thought. As an old saying goes, 2 heads are better than 1. Again thanks and greetings
 
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Preflop
JTo is a pretty marginal open from HJ, and I would definitely not do it, if you had loose players to your left. But if they were all tight, I can get on board with it.

Flop
On such a wet board I definitely prefer a larger bet size of at least half pot. I could also get on board with something even larger like 2/3 pot.

Turn
Here is where, the hand get interesting of course, because now the opponent makes a fairly big donk bet. This could mean a lot of different things. Maybe he just got there on his gutshot draw (Q9 or 97), and now he dont want you to check back, because the board is so dynamic. This is definitely possible, especially when your flop bet was so small, kind of giving him the implied odds, he needed, especially with Q9, which also had an overcard.

He could also have JT (same hand) or T8, that made two pair. Or a set, which got scared of the even wetter board and did not want you to check back. Or maybe he picked up backdoor clubs and decided to bluff at it. Or he took a weird line with frontdoor diamonds. Folding top two is definitely not an option yet, but I do agree, its just a call. If you start raising, you will mainly get action from the hands, that have you beat.

River
On the surface the 8 looks like a bad card for you, because now you also lose to trips or an overpair. But in reality the only likely hands, that improved on the 8, were T8 and 33, and you were already losing to 33. Maybe he could have 98 as well, but its very weird to turn that hand into a bluff, because it play so well as a check-call. The overpairs would have been 3-bet preflop, and he is highly unlikely to be donk betting the turn with hands like A8 or K8, that were just a naked third pair. At the same time all the draws missed, which is an argument for finding at least some hero calls.

But with that being said boats and straights are definitely possible, and in my experience a river overbet is usually skewed towards value in micro and low stakes MTTs. Few players are actually going to pull the trigger and risk essentially their entire stack with a busted flushdraw. So without reads on the opponent I would default fold here. Its regrettable having to fold a hand as strong as top two, but as the action went down, I think, it was the right decision.


Thank you very much for giving a return, good analysis, all contribution adds up to continue improving. regards
 
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