$5.5 NLHE MTT: So, what's the play here? A6s on the button. Educate me please.

[masadad]

No Limit Holdem Tournament
partypoker 9 Players

Stacks:
UTG (2,895) 36bb
UTG+1 (5,932) 74bb
MP1 (2,150) 27bb
MP2 (4,683) 59bb
MP3 (905) 11bb
CO (5,045) 63bb
BTN Hero (4,310) 54bb
SB (3,140) 39bb
BB (2,970) 37bb

Blinds: 40/80 Ante 5

Pre-Flop: (285, 9 players) Hero is BTN 6:club: A:club:
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 320, 1 fold, MP2 calls 320, MP3 calls 320, 1 fold, Hero calls 320, 1 fold, BB raises to 1,440, UTG+1 calls 1,120, MP2 calls 1,120, MP3 goes all-in 580, Hero calls 1,120

Flop: 7:club: Q:club: 7:spade: (6,865, 5 players), 1 all-in
BB bets 1,200, UTG+1 calls 1,200, MP2 goes all-in 3,238, Hero goes all-in 2,865, BB goes all-in 325, UTG+1 folds

Turn: J:heart: (15,693, 4), 4 all-in

River: 9:diamond: (15,693, 4), 4 all-in

Spoiler

Final Pot: 15,693
MP3 shows
7:diamond: 10:diamond:
BB shows
K:spade: K:club:
MP2 shows
Q:heart: 6:heart:
Hero shows
6:club: A:club:
BB wins 7,935 (net +4,965)
MP3 wins 4,585 (net +3,680)
MP2 collects 3,426 (net -1,257)
Hero lost 4,310
UTG+1 lost 2,645

 

[ph_il]

Well, for one, you could stop over valuing A/X suited.

Your cold call of 320 on the button is a bit iffy. You are getting 3:1 with some implied odds to, at best, hit a flush draw [8.1:1]. You really don't want to see an A on the flop and it's very unlikely to hit 6 high. I don't like cold call with a weak A on the button and I think if you're going to play it, you should've just gone for a squeeze play to try and pick all the dead money or isolate in position.

After BB 3bets, just fold your hand. You're likely beat preflop and again, you aren't hitting enough flops to make this a profitable call in the long run.

 

[Poker Orifice]

calling the massive 3bet preflop for 1/3 of your stack was pretty terrible (even though the other players on the table are also exhibiting terrible play).

 

[masadad]

(even though the other players on the table are also exhibiting terrible play).

yes that exactly. that is the only exception for me to make this call as players on that table were pretty loose. they could be doing this with hands like 76s or JTo. i did miss out on some nice and big pots earlier on so that made me wonder if i was playing too tight on the wrong table. also my plan was to fold if i had not hit a flush draw on the flop.

regardless i'll agree my play was terrible but should we adjust according to opponents on the table? or just stick to book poker?

 

[WiZZiM]

yes that exactly. that is the only exception for me to make this call as players on that table were pretty loose. they could be doing this with hands like 76s or JTo. i did miss out on some nice and big pots earlier on so that made me wonder if i was playing too tight on the wrong table. also my plan was to fold if i had not hit a flush draw on the flop.

regardless i'll agree my play was terrible but should we adjust according to opponents on the table? or just stick to book poker?

Yes, but our hand multiway MUST hit to be playable. We miss 2/3rd's of the time, so we are folding 60%+ and of those other times, just when are we happy with our hand? If we flop an ace, we still have to play a very careful small pot, and we have much more chance of being outdrawn postflop if we do hit our ace.

Read up on reverse implied odds, as these types of low Ax hands can be really hard to fold postflop and will typically win you only small pots and lose you big ones.

Yes we should adjust to our opponants, but you have to understand adjusting sometimes means folding out 1-2% of hands or expanding our range by 1-2%, not just calling big 3bets in multiway pots with mediocre hands. that is overadjusting. I wouldn't have even called the initial raise of 320, let alone calling the big 3bet. So even when we adjust vs opponants we are still playing "book" poker, the game is still exactly the same, it's just that you are playing a differant range than normal, in order to exploit or defend vs a particular player.

 

[Poker Orifice]

note - my reasoning behind calling the initial bet (4x bb) was because there were already 3 other players in the pot... table appears to be loose passive (but was just an assumption)

 

[WiZZiM]

MP3 is calling off a 11BB stack, it's just not a great spot to enter the pot here at all PO. Not saying it's really bad or anything, but i doubt it can show much of a profit and in the wrong hands it can be a pretty costly mistake to call pre.

 

[TheArnie]

While I think that calling pre was wrong (Unplayable hand unless you hit flush/flush draw, OESFD is also uncommon with this one), going all-in on flop were definitely justified by pot odds, and if you weren't nearing the bubble, imo reward was too big to not to risk.

 

[joe777]

Fold pre and wait for better spot.