$3.5 NLHE STT: Good Call or Bad Call?

[andosalado]

poker stars, $3.11 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players

BTN: 1,160 (5.8 bb)
SB: 10,105 (50.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 2,235 (11.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

J

BTN raises to 1,160 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero calls 960

Flop: (2,420) A

2

Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (2,420) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (2,420) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 2,420 pot
Final Board: A

2

Q

7

Q

BTN showed A

J

and won 2,420 (1,260 net)
Hero showed T

J

and lost (-1,160 net)

 

[MediaBLITZ]

Bad call - you could legitimately shove with that but not call. I understand he could be shoving with ATC there but at the same time it's just too easy for him to have an A, K, or Q. Let him take your blind and get it back on the next go.

Yes, you need to be aggressive here, but be the initiator of that aggression.
You have an ally there in the big stack to help get rid of this guy and wrap up at least 2nd place money and to make a run at getting even and over taking him (it can be done) - but that was not a good spot. Him taking your blind would not change anything - he makes the huge leap up to having 7 BB and also inherits the BB - he's still chasing you.

 

[kidkvno1]

Bad call - you could legitimately shove with that but not call. I understand he could be shoving with ATC there but at the same time it's just too easy for him to have an A, K, or Q. Let him take your blind and get it back on the next go.

Yes, you need to be aggressive here, but be the initiator of that aggression.
You have an ally there in the big stack to help get rid of this guy and wrap up at least 2nd place money and to make a run at getting even and over taking him (it can be done) - but that was not a good spot. Him taking your blind would not change anything - he makes the huge leap up to having 7 BB and also inherits the BB - he's still chasing you.

This, BLITZ tells it right.
It's a very bad call.
I would also be shoving with it, but not calling an all-in with JT.

 

[BlueNowhere]

It's not a very bad call at all.

Reads on villain? Tight? Loose? If he's doing this wide snap call. If he's tight fold but it's fairly close.

 

[MediaBLITZ]

It's not a very bad call at all.

Reads on villain? Tight? Loose? If he's doing this wide snap call. If he's tight fold but it's fairly close.

Not very bad - just regular bad

 

[buster999]

I hope this was a 9-man.

 

[BlueNowhere]

Not very bad - just regular bad

Need like 39-40% equity.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
9,266,989,248 games 0.002 secs 4,633,494,624,000 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.545% 58.08% 01.47% 5382095436 135957552.00 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q8s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A2o+, K4o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 40.455% 38.99% 01.47% 3612978708 135957552.00 { JTo }

 

[MediaBLITZ]

Don't get me wrong - I am not saying there is no way in hell you should ever call here - I have more than once. But as presented - Good or Bad - Black or White - I am going with bad.

We come back to there are a more factors involved than just the cards and the math but an undetailed question will get an undetailed answer.

As you PS shows - this hand is very close to meh. Nothing to write home about. I sure couldn't beat the guy up if he called - but would have a lot of questions regarding some other factors.

 

[BlueNowhere]

Yea it's close but at 5.8bb you don't turn down any edge. Obv if villains tight it pushes it towards a fold. To just state it's bad is wrong.

 

[Arjonius]

I can't help but wonder if this is 6H or FT. If I think he's pushing a range resembling ATC, it seems like I should be more inclined to call with JT if I'm already in the money.

 

[MediaBLITZ]

Yea it's close but at 5.8bb you don't turn down any edge. Obv if villains tight it pushes it towards a fold. To just state it's bad is wrong.

Yeah, I can't really disagree - I guess I'm in a mood responding to a black and white question about a game that is all about the shades of grey. There is so much more information that is missing it would actually be wrong to just blindly state good or bad. Sorry OP

 

[Loonbat]

I can't help but wonder if this is 6H or FT. If I think he's pushing a range resembling ATC, it seems like I should be more inclined to call with JT if I'm already in the money.

If range is ATC, you have odds, However given most villains aren't pushing that wide here, I let it go.

As stated above, normal bad not terri-bad.

 

[andosalado]

Thanks for all your comments. I thought also it was a bad call, but the player was very loose so that gave me a little more equity. Still now I see it as a bad call.

 

[BlueNowhere]

If villain has a wide range here it isn't a bad call.

 

[z28_RoadRage]

I would have let it go.... I'm just surprised the chip leader didn't push with ATC seeing as it's less than 10% of his stack and for sure would of had your dead money in the pot.

 

[Poker Orifice]

It's not a very bad call at all.

Reads on villain? Tight? Loose? If he's doing this wide snap call. If he's tight fold but it's fairly close.

Need like 39-40% equity.


39.6% actually

I can't help but wonder if this is 6H or FT.

Any SNG (STT) players will clearly recognize that total chips add up to 13,500 (which makes it ITM - 9man)

Because we're basically battling for 2nd spot here, I probably fold (but it's close). Also depends on my reads of both of the other players. (& if blinds go up right away, antes in play,..).

 

[Poker Orifice]

I would have let it go.... I'm just surprised the chip leader didn't push with ATC seeing as it's less than 10% of his stack and for sure would of had your dead money in the pot.

Maybe he benefits more by keeping SS in?
He'd be way better off to be just open-shoving atc into HERO

 

[MediaBLITZ]

Thanks for all your comments. I thought also it was a bad call, but the player was very loose so that gave me a little more equity. Still now I see it as a bad call.

Well now this is new information - I would probably call on a guy like that.