This is a discussion on $3.3 NLHE MTT Bounty: Dec.,27 within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Hand Analysis section; #1
PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - Hold'em No Limit - 200/400 (60 ante) - 8 players
FJMC69 (UTG): 27,631 (69 bb)
ohizhavoc (UTG+1): 26,850 (67 bb)
ArtemiyBIK (MP): 15,083
Hand 1 K9s
Against a small raise this would be mandatory defend, but against 4BB (due to the limper), this is actually a lot closer, than you probably think. I like calling more, if the limper is really bad, because then maybe its advantageous to get involved in a pot against him even out of position with a marginal hand like this. But just folding here would certainly not be to tight, since we mainly want to play pots in position.
No reason to donk, check is totally fine and standard.
When you pick up a draw, and it got checked through on the flop, I prefer leading. Of course its possible, one of them could have hit the Q and now have top pair, and then they are not going to fold. But they are probably also not going to check behind again, and leading makes the river much easier to play than check-calling. You also get at least some fold equity, and if you pick it up even just 30% of the time, thats a great result.
Hand 2 QJo
This is just a crystal clear fold. I have written it before, but here we go again. The way, we construct our calling range in any seat other than BB is, that we go back to the original raiser, which is this case was UTG, and then we remove the worst hands, we would raise first in from that seat. QJo is not even a hand, we would raise first in from UTG, so this should have been a completely trivial fold.
Calling from SB is even worse than calling from any other seat, because at seats like CO or BTN you at least have position postflop. Here you are knowingly getting involved in a 4-way or 5-way pot, where you are first to act postflop, and you are doing it with a hand, which offer massive reverse implied odds against an EP opening range.
You flopped top pair, and I totally understand, why you called. But this is exactly, why we dont want to call preflop. Because what are you realistically hoping to be up against here, or that will happen later on in the hand? UTG opened preflop and then C-bet a little over half pot into 4 people, which is showing extreme strength. Unless he is completely clueless, he is not doing this with AK or JJ. He has at least top pair with a better kicker than yours, or he has the nut flushdraw, which gives him at least 12 outs.
And what is UTG+1 calling with both preflop and on the flop with a bunch of people left to act behind him? Unless he is completely clueless, he also has something really strong to still stick around facing the UTG action. So unless by some miracle they are both on a draw, you are in really bad shape here, and even hitting a J or another Q wont always give you the best hand.
So if for a moment we pretend, that it was correct to call preflop, and we saw this flop and action 5-ways, the best choice is actually to just fold right now and not invest another chip in this pot. The main factors here are, that its EP action and a very multiway pot, which is totally different from a situation, where CO or BTN open, and then both blinds defend.
Not much to add. Just fold and take a note on, what they had, when the hand gets to showdown.
In the first hand I don't mind the BB defend with a suited K. When the flop checks through we can assume that both villains whiffed the flop. As the big blind you should be checking this flop 100% of the time. This flop is better for the big blind range than it is for the in-position players. By all means you should lead the turn.
Hand two is a fold pre all day long. As played it is still a fold.
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Now that the hands posted, just add 2 things: worth to note the guys whose isolate with K5s deepstack - especially 4BB after a limp -, not so many players do that, later on good to know he does things like this.
The QJo from SB definitely preflop fold, depends on tables, opponents, maybe the QJs is playable in a multipot. Also would give a note to the KQs guy, he was okay with allin with a top pair without the A kicker... even like that, so deep it is a note!
Hand 1 K9s
This is another one, where your betsizing is off, this time its way to small. The guy with QJ was not going to fold even to a larger bet, but a hand like K5 might have folded, if you had sized better, and this create more profit in the long run. Its apparent from many of the hands, you share, that you dont size very well. What is the thought proces here? Are you "trying to set your own price" to draw? Or massage the pot bigger for, when you make the flush?
Neither of this is the right way to think about the situation. You are semi-bluffing, and the main goal is to make them fold. And to achieve that, you need to tell a credible story, that you have some kind of big hand. Would you ever bet this small, if you flopped a set, two pair or a straight? Or even turned top pair on the Q? No. You would go much larger, at least half pot and probably more, since it got checked through on the flop, so the pot is still small. And then this is also the sizing, you should use, when you are betting a draw.
Hand 2 QJo
So you were against AA and KQs, which totally confirm, why you should have folded preflop, and why even the flop is a fold as played. You had 3 outs to win the hand after the flop, and the fact, you would have hit your miracle card on the river, means nothing. From the hands, you share, you are still doing a lot of "rabbit hunting" and being very results oriented. The turn fold was not a mistake, it was the only good decision, you made in the hand.