This is a discussion on $.25 NLHE MTT: Is my shove too aggressive vs MP opr and 3 callers? within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Hand Analysis section; the original raiser wasn't playing hands until this one, so (s)he has a hand for sure.
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If you noticed UTG+1 hadnít opened a pot for what looks like 3 blind levels, leading you to believe that they must be rather tight, why shove?
ATs is at the very low end of a tight playerís UTG+1 opening range. So if youíre holding ATs, villain surely must be holding better, and is likely to call with those hands.
In addition, there are several players left to act that could ALSO have you dominated, best case for you a coin flip.
I would only attempt this move on a very loose utg+1 raiser who has a much wider range that includes low pairs, suited connectors, and junky hands like Q9o, KJo, A8 etc. while simultaneously doing it under the cover of a tight table image (even though Iím generally a loose-ish aggressive player myself).
Sometimes you can have a table image that doesnít match your playing style, which is a great tool to use.
Originally Posted by Sidetracked
I think your 19 BB shove in that situation is pretty spewy. You got really lucky and sucked out, but that doesn't make your decision good.
I agree with the second part here. Do not continue to make this play in similar situations, you will go broke more often than not.
Sidetracked, as for the first part of your response, I think itís generally more helpful to give an explanation as to why this play might be spewy. While I agree with you and know why itís spewy myself, some readers or OP might not know exactly why. Also, breaking it down into an explanation will help you in your own game, further cementing concepts and strategies in your arsenal. This also allows other readers to ask you questions and challenge your reasoning as well
Always consider these factors. Effective stack size? Reads on opponent? Your table image? Ranges of hands your opponents could have?
re: Poker & $.25 NLHE MTT: Is my shove too aggressive vs MP opr and 3 callers?
I dont like the jam for a few reasons. One is A10 suited is not a top hand so you would be shoving it for fold equity and not because of strength. You mentioned the UTG raiser was not active and then raises UTG. They usually will have something good and will likely call leaving you behind most of the time. I also dont like the shove as you have a hand that flops generally well being suited and it is just one more big blind to call. I think this is a situation where you take what is given to you and you get to see a cheap flop with a nice potential drawing hand.
I don't see your all in as a problem for a couple reasons. There are 10BB already in the pot, and you are under 20BBs. You are almost in shove mode range, so do it when you might gain 2.5X or even 3.5X with a caller or two (respectively). You have a fair enough hand to go against one or maybe two players, but you face 4 villains. Thin it down. You also have some fold equity. Although your stack is low enough to give fair odds, it was possible everyone would fold to your 3bet. Finally, you are way out of position. Shoving eliminates that factor.
I would not do this very often, as ATs is not a hand that is good for shoving. It does horrible against AJ+ and is slightly under 50% to any low pair. With everything I said above, I think now was a fair time to gamble.