$25 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Preflop Ace rag shorthanded

[TEG2300]

So there are 11 players left out of 24 in a live league tourney I was playing. Here is the HH:

Seat 1: Villain ($8200)
Seat 2: Seat 2 ($15500)
Seat 3: Seat 3 ($27000)
Seat 4: Seat 4 ($7600)
Seat 5: Hero ($36500)
Seat 2 posts the small blind of $600
Seat 3 posts the big blind of $1200
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As 5s]
Seat 4 folds
Hero raises to $2400
Villain raises to $8200
Seat 2 folds
Seat 3 folds
Hero calls $5800

So the pot is $12,400 it is $5,800 more to me. My remaining stack is $34,100 before the call. The villain is a TAG that knows enough MTT strategy to not get blinded off. I put his range at 66+ and KJs+ maybe even KQs+. So what do you think? I am dominated a lot by his range but the pot is giving me over 3/1.... was it a mistake to raise the cut off here with the suited A5, was it to light of a call? Or is it a solid play all around? I am mainly asking because in the moment it was a hard call for me to find and then when I ran the numbers against his range in pokerstove I was surprised to find out how much equity I had.:hmmmm:

 

[MasterOfDisaster]

yes you have to call here I guess

 

[Michael Paler]

So there are 11 players left out of 24 in a live league tourney I was playing. Here is the HH:

Seat 1: Villain ($8200)
Seat 2: Seat 2 ($15500)
Seat 3: Seat 3 ($27000)
Seat 4: Seat 4 ($7600)
Seat 5: Hero ($36500)
Seat 2 posts the small blind of $600
Seat 3 posts the big blind of $1200
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As 5s]
Seat 4 folds
Hero raises to $2400
Villain raises to $8200
Seat 2 folds
Seat 3 folds
Hero calls $5800

So the pot is $12,400 it is $5,800 more to me. My remaining stack is $34,100 before the call. The villain is a TAG that knows enough MTT strategy to not get blinded off. I put his range at 66+ and KJs+ maybe even KQs+. So what do you think? I am dominated a lot by his range but the pot is giving me over 3/1.... was it a mistake to raise the cut off here with the suited A5, was it to light of a call? Or is it a solid play all around? I am mainly asking because in the moment it was a hard call for me to find and then when I ran the numbers against his range in pokerstove I was surprised to find out how much equity I had.:hmmmm:

1. How is 12400/5800 3 to one pot odds? You only had 2400 invested and over called for more than twice that...w ace rag? Oh, suited, add 1% additional strength preflop...look at it this way; you risked chip lead and 1/4 of your stack (36,500/8500 = 4.3) to possibly end up almost tied for 1st/2nd

2. Why would you open 2x with ace rag, even suited, with stacks that could hurt you left to act? Realize that had the villain not shoved you could have ended up in a two/three way pot with ace rag and stacks that could hurt you. The BB might have flat called with a better hand for only one extra bet for deception with a stack only a little lighter than yours. I agree you should open your range 5 handed, that just sounds a little to open maybe? For 2x, anyway; now, 3x or 4, thats another story as you are playing it like AK. But you are facing a TAG yet to act, so....you would be vulnerable to a squeeze play by seat 2/3 had they shoved and would have had folded and lost 4800.

3. What did villain show up with? A-K,Q,J,10 or 9? Or a pair 10/above?

 

[TEG2300]

1. How is 12400/5800 3 to one pot odds? You only had 2400 invested and over called for more than twice that...w ace rag? Oh, suited, add 1% additional strength preflop...look at it this way; you risked chip lead and 1/4 of your stack (36,500/8500 = 4.3) to possibly end up almost tied for 1st/2nd

I could be just up way to late but in the pot already was 12400 my call is 5800 to win a total of 18,200 so 18,200/5800 is just over 3/1 right?

 

[kissapig]

Looks like a loose raise from the chip leader who should have been expecting a shove from a short stack. My guess is that you are 60/40 ahead preflop with villains range around KJo. For the exacta I'd bet you lost the hand.

 

[MasterOfDisaster]

Looks like a loose raise from the chip leader who should have been expecting a shove from a short stack. My guess is that you are 60/40 ahead preflop with villains range around KJo. For the exacta I'd bet you lost the hand.

As chipleader I think the open is fine and I think the plan in general is with these stacksizes, to openraise and call both seat 4 and villain if they would 3bet shove on you and fold vs the two bigger stacks if the where 3betting.

 

[baudib1]

just shrug and call with whatever you open here.

 

[Poker Orifice]

1. How is 12400/5800 3 to one pot odds? You only had 2400 invested and over called for more than twice that...w ace rag? Oh, suited, add 1% additional strength preflop...look at it this way; you risked chip lead and 1/4 of your stack (36,500/8500 = 4.3) to possibly end up almost tied for 1st/2nd

2. Why would you open 2x with ace rag, even suited, with stacks that could hurt you left to act? Realize that had the villain not shoved you could have ended up in a two/three way pot with ace rag and stacks that could hurt you. The BB might have flat called with a better hand for only one extra bet for deception with a stack only a little lighter than yours. I agree you should open your range 5 handed, that just sounds a little to open maybe? For 2x, anyway; now, 3x or 4, thats another story as you are playing it like AK. But you are facing a TAG yet to act, so....you would be vulnerable to a squeeze play by seat 2/3 had they shoved and would have had folded and lost 4800.

3. What did villain show up with? A-K,Q,J,10 or 9? Or a pair 10/above?

So you want to raise 4x & fold? < is that 'the plan'?

 

[Poker Orifice]

I could be just up way to late but in the pot already was 12400 my call is 5800 to win a total of 18,200 so 18,200/5800 is just over 3/1 right?

2.14 : 1
There's 12,400 out there right? Costing you 5,800 to make the call.

"Call"

from cEV perspective you need ~32%. A5s vs villain's range you have ~39%

 

[TEG2300]

2.14 : 1
There's 12,400 out there right? Costing you 5,800 to make the call.

So embarrassing. Yes 2.14 : 1 which means I need better then 30% ewuity in the hand to call right?

 

[Rldetheflop]

you have to be aware before making the raise that if seat 4 or villain shoves over you have to call. If this is not a scenario you are willing to live with just fold.

Personally I don't mind the open raise but like I said you have to be willing to call the shorties.

 

[Poker Orifice]

So Yes 2.14 : 1 which means I need better then 30% equity in the hand to call right?

32% but yah. (& vs the range you described you'd have ~38% or 39%)

 

[RamdeeBen]

Yeah; pretty much what PO says.


Also you have to remember, when you open these hands at these levels when people are so short, there is no min raise/fold vs those stack sizes. Before you even open the hand, you should be already looking at other stack sizes and deciding on who you're calling or folding to and vs such a short stack, it's a min open snap call.