[$24 MTT] What Do I Do Here?

[iMaGiN.]

About 20 minutes into the tournament, and my read on this guys is that he's pretty loose/donkish. Was wondering if I should just check, which seems to be the smart move I think or bet? Also if I check and he bets about 350 give or take, what should I do then?


Full Tilt Poker Game #10337107404: $14,000 Guarantee (78101079), Table 60 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:24:51 ET - 2009/01/30
Seat 1: kmagnum (4,685)
Seat 2: lehout (2,960)
Seat 3: memorex1 (3,520)
Seat 4: Khalial09 (4,070)
Seat 5: Ichodersoone (3,010)
Seat 6: RussiaN Ace 13 (3,320)
Seat 7: dopamin31 (2,205)
Seat 8: scavenger123 (1,590), is sitting out
Seat 9: douglas7333 (4,645)
memorex1 posts the small blind of 20
Khalial09 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RussiaN Ace 13 [8s 9s]
Ichodersoone folds
RussiaN Ace 13 raises to 105
dopamin31 folds
scavenger123 folds
douglas7333 folds
kmagnum calls 105
lehout folds
memorex1 folds
Khalial09 folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 7h Tc]
RussiaN Ace 13 bets 180
kmagnum calls 180
*** TURN *** [Jc 7h Tc] [Qd]
RussiaN Ace 13 ???

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Firstly thanks for not posting results this time.

Bet, like between 3/4 pot and pot.

Checking here is awful as you invariably have the best hand and a lot of river cards (basically any A,K,8,9 or club) can kill your action (or lead to villain drawing out on you), so you want to get as many chips in as possible now and not risk giving a free card to a draw or losing value from the multitude of decent second best hands villain could have.

Heck, if villain is a calling station we want to get monies in on the turn and river from him if the river is blank anyway.

If you're thinking of checking the turn you should just be folding 98s preflop. There's nothing generally wrong with raising SCs sometimes in early position, but you have to know how to play them in various postflop situations.

 

[cardsDontMatter]

Your read on Villain is Loose/Donkish ... raising with 8s9s from UTG+1 is rather a loose move, but you've got heart. Implied odds make these hands great.

What do you think Villain put you on when you raised? DM is correct in giving him just enough rope to hang himself.

One thing to keep in mind is if this hand gets to a showdown, that hand is going to be burned into player's minds.. and if they're smart, they're gonna put that hand history on their Notes for you... (at least I would).. I am sure many posters will have me banned for saying that, too.

Establishing image here is crucial.

 

[iMaGiN.]

Sense I got a response, I'll post some more of the hand. Here's how the rest of the hand played out. What's your opinion on the river?


Full Tilt Poker Game #10337107404: $14,000 Guarantee (78101079), Table 60 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:24:51 ET - 2009/01/30
Seat 1: kmagnum (4,685)
Seat 2: lehout (2,960)
Seat 3: memorex1 (3,520)
Seat 4: Khalial09 (4,070)
Seat 5: Ichodersoone (3,010)
Seat 6: RussiaN Ace 13 (3,320)
Seat 7: dopamin31 (2,205)
Seat 8: scavenger123 (1,590), is sitting out
Seat 9: douglas7333 (4,645)
memorex1 posts the small blind of 20
Khalial09 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RussiaN Ace 13 [8s 9s]
Ichodersoone folds
RussiaN Ace 13 raises to 105
dopamin31 folds
scavenger123 folds
douglas7333 folds
kmagnum calls 105
lehout folds
memorex1 folds
Khalial09 folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 7h Tc]
RussiaN Ace 13 bets 180
kmagnum calls 180
*** TURN *** [Jc 7h Tc] Q♦
RussiaN Ace 13 bets 310
kmagnum raises to 750
RussiaN Ace 13 has 15 seconds left to act
RussiaN Ace 13 calls 440
*** RIVER *** [Jc 7h Tc Qd] A♦
RussiaN Ace 13 checks
kmagnum bets 900
RussiaN Ace 13 ??????

 

[iMaGiN.]

Well I play loose in MTT's that's just my style. You can't just wait around for High PP's or AK/AQ. Not only do they hardly come, but when they do, you'll have no action so it's a fine move raising preflop.

 

[S93]

For gods sake re-reraise him on the turn!
So many action killers/hands to out draw u one the river so we whant the money in on the turn.
That river is exactly the reason why we have to raise the turn.
As played we only beat a bluff so if villain is a bluffy type we can call other then that we have fold imo.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

yeah please shove turn after he raises.

 

[cardsDontMatter]

ICK... he just handed you the noose. Call and vomit.

 

[iMaGiN.]

I called and he turned over AK...=/

At least saved some chips lol...

*** RIVER *** [Jc 7h Tc Qd] [Ad]
RussiaN Ace 13 checks
kmagnum bets 900
RussiaN Ace 13 calls 900
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kmagnum shows [Ac Ks] a straight, Ace high
RussiaN Ace 13 mucks
kmagnum wins the pot (3,930) with a straight, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,930 | Rake 0
Board: [Jc 7h Tc Qd Ad]
Seat 1: kmagnum showed [Ac Ks] and won (3,930) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 2: lehout (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: memorex1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Khalial09 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Ichodersoone didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: RussiaN Ace 13 mucked [8s 9s] - a straight, Queen high
Seat 7: dopamin31 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: scavenger123 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: douglas7333 didn't bet (folded)

 

[S93]

Still doesnt change the fact imo that u have to raise the turn.
just a cooler his range is so much wider...

 

[Lemlywinks]

Still doesnt change the fact imo that u have to raise the turn.
just a cooler his range is so much wider...

^^^
This. If your not jamming it all in on the turn then you are just asking him to outdraw you in the long run. Just because it saved you chips this time doesn't make it the correct play, just a cooler like Sindri said.

 

[blankoblanco]

yeah, i'd shove the turn after he raises. if he has AK, so be it. it's much more likely that he has two pair or a set, and he's not raising the turn to fold those. a lot of players would reraise the AK preflop, so i'd have even discounted that from his range a bit especially since you say he's loose and donkish

on the river, ugh. since i don't give his turn range that many cards with a K in it, i might make a crying call just for that reason. and seeing his hand gives you a lot of info about how he played every street. but it definitely looks value-y and i can't really see it being a bluff. but sometimes if they're clueless they show up with two pair and were betting the river without really knowing the purpose of their bet, aka a dark tunnel bet. he is a donk, so he could just be betting for the hell of it

 

[Inscore77]

3bet shove turn please