$200 NLHE: You fold here?

[TheNoob]

$200 NL HE: You fold here?

$200 live tourney. Don't really have a live bankroll ...... I want the live experience and this is the cheapest tourney available on the weekend.

Out of 115 players that started, there's somewhere around 50 left. $ starts at 18th place.

Blinds are 400/200 with 50 anti. My stack is pretty short at about 6500 and he has me covered. My image is probably nitty, villain is probably the loosest at the table, fond of shoving. I have seen him risk his entire stack on 2nd pair and call a AI that would have knocked his stack down 25% with 58s. A few hands ago he did get his stack hit hard by calling a AI with K9o and losing to AKs.

I'm BB villain is SB, he completes the blind I check my 7To.

Flop is 767. He checks.

I thought a bit, and instead of betting I check. I feel I'm in a pretty strong position to get a big bet out of him on the turn. Maybe the wrong play.

Turn is blank, he bets 800, I raise to 1600. He shoves.

Obvious call, or are you folding here?

 

[dj11]

how can you consider such a blasphemy?

To be fair, I did fold out trip A's last night to what appeared to be an all-in shove with the flush.

But you don't mention flush, nor straight, so for all the world it looks like villain has hit the blank, giving him 2 pair and the opportunity to bully you out.

Instacall.....

 

[TheNoob]

how can you consider such a blasphemy?

To be fair, I did fold out trip A's last night to what appeared to be an all-in shove with the flush.

But you don't mention flush, nor straight, so for all the world it looks like villain has hit the blank, giving him 2 pair and the opportunity to bully you out.

Instacall.....

Well, I don't want to go home, and I don't have the nuts.

Pretty good spot to get your money in, for sure. But I can't help but question as to whether or not the people that get ITM are the ones who fold this and wait for the nuts.

 

[Dwilius]

By a blank you mean a deuce or a facecard? b/c 3,4,5,8,9, all could potentially fill a straight after seeing a free turn card...anyway, with your description of villain I'm not folding trips, especially since you've already put a third of your stack in.

 

[TheNoob]

By a blank you mean a deuce or a facecard? b/c 3,4,5,8,9, all could potentially fill a straight after seeing a free turn card...anyway, with your description of villain I'm not folding trips, especially since you've already put almost half your stack in.

The turn was paint, with no flush possible.

 

[Effexor]

These live MTT's are typically ultra turbos. There's no way I'm folding here.

 

[S93]

Folding after 1/3rd your stack is allready in against a aggro fish when your holding trips with 10BB behind blindVSblind is a capital offense in most civalized countrys.

So yeah this is a snap-call fist pump and maybe throw a litle dance in as well

 

[KoRnholio]

With 12BBs left in your stack, I would be super happy to get it in here with trips.

 

[TheNoob]

General consensus is a snap call.

That's what I did (I don't think I could have put my chips in faster .... think Helmuth without the embarassing histrionics), and for the record I honestly felt it was the correct thing to do all things considered.

It came to grief, though, when he turned over 76.

Another drive home from Indiana mumbling to myself and looking for small, cute animals to run over.

Given my skill level, the fact that I haven't cashed in one of these in 6 tries is not surprising. I think I probably play too tight to be successful in these things, and the player that mixes it up well and gets lucky is going to be in the cash.

Awfully expensive to keep trying. They have $100 tourney's during the week (which is still expensive), but they start at noon and there's no way I'm taking a day off of work for a poker tourney.

Thanks ......

 

[Makwa]

The turn was paint, with no flush possible.

In that case u have to call.

 

[Makwa]

General consensus is a snap call.

It came to grief, though, when he turned over 76.


Given my skill level, the fact that I haven't cashed in one of these in 6 tries is not surprising. I think I probably play too tight to be successful in these things, and the player that mixes it up well and gets lucky is going to be in the cash.

This play has nothing to do with skill level, no way u can put him on 76 here, did what u had to do... cashing in MTTs is generally at around 1/10; i.e. expecting to cash in over 10% of tourneys is unrealistic for most... that is online of course, and very general figure, but not cashing in 6 tries is not that unusual IMHO.

 

[Pokerdude420]

I would call-all in.I figured if he had a 89 he would have bet the draw. I thin hes got some sort of Jack-10 Queen-10 comination...

 

[GordonStr222]

From your previous description of his playing style, I would definitely call here without hesitation. If he does happen to have that 76 although unlikely you cannot be too disapointed with your call. More than likely he's trying to represent the 7 himself and he probably thinks you don't have the 7 and will fold. Against a conservative or straightforward player you would definitely have to consider folding but in this case NO. I heard you mention about not having a live bankroll, did this cause you to play somewhat scared and super tight? Now maybe just maybe your opponent noticed this about you and his trying to take advantage of this by making you commit all your chips as a test. Wow, after reading the remaining post, he did have 76 after all. This sucks but you can't be mad or disapointed with calling here against this type of player.

 

[TheNoob]

From your previous description of his playing style, I would definitely call here without hesitation. If he does happen to have that 76 although unlikely you cannot be too disapointed with your call. More than likely he's trying to represent the 7 himself and he probably thinks you don't have the 7 and will fold. Against a conservative or straightforward player you would definitely have to consider folding but in this case NO. I heard you mention about not having a live bankroll, did this cause you to play somewhat scared and super tight? Now maybe just maybe your opponent noticed this about you and his trying to take advantage of this by making you commit all your chips as a test. Wow, after reading the remaining post, he did have 76 after all. This sucks but you can't be mad or disapointed with calling here against this type of player.

Certainly a concern.

I don't really have a live bankroll because I don't really commit to live play. A live tourney is really just (for now) a off the cuff decision to hit the casino with the gf, and I just don't like the sucker table games. I'm sure with my marginal poker skills, poker is just as much a losing proposition as a slot machine.

Anyway, as I mentioned, I am probably too tight for live play. I just don't have the skills to get creative enough, and blinds and antis catch up fast.

Thanks.

 

[Implied Odds3]

Instacall imo.

 

[bgomez89]

fist pump instacall

 

[mrjohnson911]

easy call although you were beat... a 1/3 of your stack is gone and if your not gonna go allin w trips against a loose aggressive player you really would have to wait for AA.... also dont think about cashing think about winning the whole tourney... sounds like you play way over your limit....

 

[santa fe slim]

Inst-call. Given the description, you probably win more times than not.

 

[Poker Orifice]

These live tourneys are typicall fast structured tourneys so you can't wait around in them and have to play more marginal hands 'in position'.


When you have a big hand you're looking to build a big pot. Checking on the flop is quesionable imo... as is 'min-raising' on the turn (although we are looking to let villain hang himself with the image we have of them).

As played... if you're considering folding here I'd consider not playing these tourneys anymore. There's absolutely no way you can fold here against a guy like this (or anyone on the size of stack you have,... although for all I know maybe this is the avg. stack size?).

There's a couple of books out which are geared towards fast-structure tourney play (what you typically will find at the local casino). Damn it... I can't think of the name of the author at the moment... argh... I didn't particularly like the books but I don't play alot of fast-structure live tourneys either. Mmmm.... when I think of the author's name I will write it in here.

PS... I don't think Daniel Negreanu is laying that hand down here

 

[seuatx]

As loose as the villain was and with the turn being blank, yes I think I would have definetly done an automatic call on that all in with those trips you had....

The danger is that he could have been holding pocket sixes (what are the odds but it could happen, just like it happened to be that he had 7 6).

I always think that these type of players play the way they do for a reason, its almost like its their strategy.. they try to fool you. Or sometimes they just get really lucky which is really frustrating..

 

[Toor]

Sometimes you eat the fish, sometimes the fish eats you
Nothing you could do really. Good call, tough luck.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Arnold Snyder - Poker Tournament Forumla (<< I believe this is the name of the book).

 

[FatBasset]

I am going to echo a lot of previous posts in that were I in your shows I call without hesitation. Poker is a game of probabilities. It is highly impropable that your opponent had you beat. (think about odds of hitting four of a kind on flop, even though the two sevens not in your hand) So if you make it a habit of folding sets when you face aggression you are going to have -EV for your play; folding when you have the best hand.

 

[only_bridge]

Surely there must be cheaper tourneys than this in your area. What about home games/ private poker clubs?

 

[Xaras23]

just call, continue with the slow paly and make a trap on the river(all in move)