$2.2 NLHE MTT Bounty: $2.2 NLHE Bounty: Should I have called?

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pokerstars, $1.96 + $0.24 - Hold'em No Limit - 70/140 (21 ante) - 8 players

Mari0887 (UTG): 36,655 (262 bb)
OlegZ27 (UTG+1): 10,864 (78 bb)
1numismat (MP): 19,128 (137 bb)
emanuilo0 (MP+1): 4,979 (36 bb)
MUTNYJKRITIK (CO): 12,154 (87 bb)
juanotero1 (BU): 3,144 (22 bb)
danydodu (SB): 7,955 (57 bb)
71prince71 (BB): 11,712 (84 bb)

Pre-Flop: (378) Hero (1numismat) is MP with A♣ J♠
1 fold, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) raises to 280, 1numismat (MP) calls 280, 3 players fold, danydodu (SB) calls 210, 71prince71 (BB) calls 140

Flop: (1,288) 4♥ 9♥ J♣ (4 players)
danydodu (SB) checks, 71prince71 (BB) checks, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) checks, 1numismat (MP) bets 644, 2 players fold, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) calls 644

Turn: (2,576) K♥ (2 players)
OlegZ27 (UTG+1) checks, 1numismat (MP) bets 840, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) raises to 2,800, 1numismat (MP) - ?
 
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I probably fold, I'd have maybe checked the turn back to keep the pot a bit smaller with the hope to call a small river or maybe do a little vbet otr. The turn card sucks for us as loads of stuff got there so I'd probably be trying to keep the pot small maybe.
 
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Preflop
Slightly loose call from such early position, but at least you have a big stack, so you can afford to get in there a bit more and mix it up. You are also facing a very small sizing.

Flop
Totally onboard with betting for value, when the preflop raiser miss his C-bet. You are multiway, but at least you have position on everyone, which is a great spot to be in.

Turn
This was literally the worst card in the deck completing a bunch of draws and also a hand like AK, which he could absolutely have and play as a check-call in a multiway pot. For me this is a clear spot to check back and then make a decision on the river. As played just fold to that raise and move on to the next hand.
 
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PokerStars, $1.96 + $0.24 - Hold'em No Limit - 70/140 (21 ante) - 8 players

Mari0887 (UTG): 36,655 (262 bb)
OlegZ27 (UTG+1): 10,864 (78 bb)
1numismat (MP): 19,128 (137 bb)
emanuilo0 (MP+1): 4,979 (36 bb)
MUTNYJKRITIK (CO): 12,154 (87 bb)
juanotero1 (BU): 3,144 (22 bb)
danydodu (SB): 7,955 (57 bb)
71prince71 (BB): 11,712 (84 bb)

Pre-Flop: (378) Hero (1numismat) is MP with A♣ J♠
1 fold, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) raises to 280, 1numismat (MP) calls 280, 3 players fold, danydodu (SB) calls 210, 71prince71 (BB) calls 140

Flop: (1,288) 4♥ 9♥ J♣ (4 players)
danydodu (SB) checks, 71prince71 (BB) checks, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) checks, 1numismat (MP) bets 644, 2 players fold, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) calls 644

Turn: (2,576) K♥ (2 players)
OlegZ27 (UTG+1) checks, 1numismat (MP) bets 840, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) raises to 2,800, 1numismat (MP) - ?
On my mind rise too big for AK or KJ but good for KQ,KT or Kx to force the opponent refuse to call with draw, Jx or pay more.

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yes i would have called. people bluff more in the bounty tourneys
Yes, later on my table seat player with 5k chips(initial stack) and very fast rise to 30k - limp or raise >50% hands and mainly Cbet or reraise on flop. This is sign of bluffer, but when somebody make showdown with him, he won every time. Later he loose all his stack very fast also(by bluff exactly) and was eliminated.
 
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On my mind rise too big for AK or KJ but good for KQ,KT or Kx to force the opponent refuse to call with draw, Jx or pay more.

The main point is do not bet the turn, so that you reopen the betting for him and end up in a miserable spot like this, where you have to fold a hand, that could still be best but cant get any more value by betting. Some people call it showdown value, and whenever we have that, the goal is to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

If you check back turn, you might face a river bet, but then you just make decisions depending on his sizing and the river card. Its kind of difficult to find bluffs, when everything got there, so most likely the river would be a fold, if he put in a big bet. But there will also be times, where he check to you again, and then you can check back and win at showdown against a hand like TT or A9, which are also just trying to get to a cheap showdown.
 
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Hero 1numismat

Hand #1

PokerStars, $1.96 + $0.24 - Hold'em No Limit - 70/140 (21 ante) - 8 players

Mari0887 (UTG): 36,655 (262 bb)
OlegZ27 (UTG+1): 10,864 (78 bb)
1numismat (MP): 19,128 (137 bb)
emanuilo0 (MP+1): 4,979 (36 bb)
MUTNYJKRITIK (CO): 12,154 (87 bb)
juanotero1 (BU): 3,144 (22 bb)
danydodu (SB): 7,955 (57 bb)
71prince71 (BB): 11,712 (84 bb)

Pre-Flop: (378) Hero (1numismat) is MP with A♣ J♠
1 fold, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) raises to 280, 1numismat (MP) calls 280, 3 players fold, danydodu (SB) calls 210, 71prince71 (BB) calls 140

Flop: (1,288) 4♥ 9♥ J♣ (4 players)
danydodu (SB) checks, 71prince71 (BB) checks, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) checks, 1numismat (MP) bets 644, 2 players fold, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) calls 644

Turn: (2,576) K♥ (2 players)
OlegZ27 (UTG+1) checks, 1numismat (MP) bets 840, OlegZ27 (UTG+1) raises to 2,800, 1numismat (MP) - ?


Thank you for posting.

AJoff is not a call here preflop

1 AJ is a reverse implied odds hand vs a UTG1 range in a normal MTT- worse in a bounty. It is better to 3 bet or fold than call in EP.

2 small open means multiway pot AJ sucks multiway and is really bad to be on the direct left of the raiser with 3 left to act IP. Again 3 bet or fold

3 Button has a shove size stack so betting could easily be reopened and UTG1 is supposed to shove full range there to isolate to get the BTN bounty and we then fold all our equity.

4 Observation- your post flop skills are not strong enough yet to think your post flop play will compensate for preflop loose calls. See Fundiver post regarding turn play.

The good news is you are here learning and growing and you will get stronger post flop by doing this.

As played vs standard players in a bounty tournament at this stake level your flop bet is too small. Your bet size is not effective vs the full range of hands that 3 Villains can have that interact well with this board.
With medium strength hands we want to bet larger on the flop vs players willing to call wider ranges.

Hope this helps
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PokerStars, $1.96 + $0.24 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,250/2,500 (200 ante) - 8 players

Kanio15 (UTG): 89,036 (36 bb)
Sergun K. (UTG+1): 75,409 (30 bb)
Nibelak (MP): 94,818 (38 bb)
XLL5744 (MP+1): 28,442 (11 bb)
otez_allaaxxxa (CO): 65,404 (26 bb)
antonrocky (BU): 91,568 (37 bb)
Sendy519 (SB): 32,746 (13 bb)
1numismat (BB): 53,696 (21 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,350) Hero (1numismat) is BB with 3♥ 6♣
4 players fold, otez_allaaxxxa (CO) raises to 5,000, antonrocky (BU) calls 5,000, 1 fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 2,500

Flop: (17,850) Q♣ 5♥ 4♥ (3 players)
1numismat (BB) checks, otez_allaaxxxa (CO) bets 2,500, antonrocky (BU) raises to 13,925, 1numismat (BB) - ?
 
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PokerStars, $1.96 + $0.24 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,250/2,500 (200 ante) - 8 players

Kanio15 (UTG): 89,036 (36 bb)
Sergun K. (UTG+1): 75,409 (30 bb)
Nibelak (MP): 94,818 (38 bb)
XLL5744 (MP+1): 28,442 (11 bb)
otez_allaaxxxa (CO): 65,404 (26 bb)
antonrocky (BU): 91,568 (37 bb)
Sendy519 (SB): 32,746 (13 bb)
1numismat (BB): 53,696 (21 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,350) Hero (1numismat) is BB with 3♥ 6♣
4 players fold, otez_allaaxxxa (CO) raises to 5,000, antonrocky (BU) calls 5,000, 1 fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 2,500

Flop: (17,850) Q♣ 5♥ 4♥ (3 players)
1numismat (BB) checks, otez_allaaxxxa (CO) bets 2,500, antonrocky (BU) raises to 13,925, 1numismat (BB) - ?


Thank you for posting

This is another post flop spot caused by a loose call preflop. Why do I say it is a loose call for 1 bb?

1 Stack size 20bb-we will not be able to bluff often enough in this spot to call. We cannot realize equity very often either. That means our overall EV in the hand preflop is low.

2 Multiple players. We have to have very good post flop skills to outplay 2 players with 63 OOP. You are not ready for this yet.

3 We want to have a multiple street plan before we enter a pot- Reverse Implied odds. We will call if we make a pair on flop but what do we do with a pair of 6's 3 kicker that does not improve on turn? Our V can bet 70% of turn cards as a bluff vs us how do we bluff catch turns with a 17bb stack? How do we call off rivers for the shove with a pair 6 3 kicker?

When we play NL the preflop call of 1bb puts our stack at risk if we hit anything-this is a 20bb call not a 1 bb call. We want to think about that before we say it is just a 1bb call.

As played on flop this is why we cannot realize equity easily 3 way. We have to call off 6 of 19bb stack to realize equity.

Our value in this hand is the draw. However the BU can have QhJh etc -giving us only 22% to win if the CO V folds. Calling here is just gambling. We do need to gamble sometimes to win tournaments, is this the stage of the tournament you want to do that?

The good news is most likely 3 7's and 3 2's are unblocked. It would be worse if you needed an A for example as the CO V or BU can both have Ax hands.

Hope this helps
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ITM

PokerStars, $1.96 + $0.24 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,250/2,500 (200 ante) - 8 players

Kanio15 (UTG): 89,036 (36 bb)
Sergun K. (UTG+1): 75,409 (30 bb)
Nibelak (MP): 94,818 (38 bb)
XLL5744 (MP+1): 28,442 (11 bb)
otez_allaaxxxa (CO): 65,404 (26 bb)
antonrocky (BU): 91,568 (37 bb)
Sendy519 (SB): 32,746 (13 bb)
1numismat (BB): 53,696 (21 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,350) Hero (1numismat) is BB with 3♥ 6♣
4 players fold, otez_allaaxxxa (CO) raises to 5,000, antonrocky (BU) calls 5,000, 1 fold, 1numismat (BB) calls 2,500

Flop: (17,850) Q♣ 5♥ 4♥ (3 players)
1numismat (BB) checks, otez_allaaxxxa (CO) bets 2,500, antonrocky (BU) raises to 13,925, 1numismat (BB) - ?

Preflop
Even though its a min-raise from late position, we dont need to defend with any two cards, and even less so when someone else have already called. So for me 63o is just a simple fold.

Flop
I guess, we could donk lead with our draw and no showdown value, but we are against two opponents, so I am totally ok with making the standard check and then go from there. If CO C-bet, and BTN fold, I might then go for a check-raise and turn my hand into a bluff with equity (semibluff).

However this is not, what happen. CO makes a very small C-bet, and CO now puts in a raise. This is a much stronger action than just a C-bet, so I dont think, you have much fold equity, and for that reason i dont like coming over the top. I also dont like calling, because CO is still in the hand, so he could in theory still come back over the top.

You also dont have the best draw, because while you have 8 outs, 2 of them could potentially make someone a flush, so they are somewhat tainted, and you dont have any added equity from overcards. So even though you connected relatively well with the board, with this action ahead in a multiway pot, I am just folding and preserving the rest of my chips for a better spot.
 
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