$16 STT - River fun with A9

[Dorkus Malorkus]

This is pretty fun if only for the fact that one doesn't get to make a lot of river decisions in turbo donkngos. Villain is 35/7/2.1 and seems pretty bad (shock horror). PF/Flop is pretty standard, thoughts on turn (I feel obliged to call a 1/8th PSB tbh and bluffshoving seems like huge spew so I think the call is standard if awkward) and river? River is only 1460 into a 3700 pot, but are we good often enough here?

Stacks:
BTN with 1190
SB with 3995
BB with 3260
UTG with 1575
MP with 3480

Blinds: 100/200
Site: pokerstars
Dealt to MP:A♥ 9♠
Sklansky group 8
Preflop:
1 players fold.
Hero raises 400 to 600
2 players fold.
BB calls [400]
Total folds this street: 3
Potsize: 1300
Flop: 5♥ 3♣ J♠
BB: checks Hero bets [800]
BB calls [800]
Potsize: 2900
Turn: 6♣
BB bets [400] Hero calls [400]
Potsize: 3700
River: 9♦
BB bets [1460] [ all-in ] Hero ???

 

[Steveg1976]

I don't normally play these limits. Is the bubble past?

I don't think you can fold here. If as you said the player is not very good a river shove on a brick card would indicate to me a bluff, and even if the 9 did help him most likely you will still win when he turns of K9. You are only worried about an over pair 10's most likely and a J. I think it is more likely a A5 or A3 hand and he let you catch up.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

top 3 pay.

 

[NevRcall]

Please excuse my poor english.

All double pair possibilities are trash hands like 59 / 39 and so on. Depends on how the BB considers you, and if hes really able to call oop with those kinds of hands.

You ve got a check/call flop, suck bet / blocking bet turn, and all-in river. This suits for 78. But that's all. A J wouldn't be played like this hum? So bluff range (or semi) is large enough to make you call for > 3 to 1 odds.

I normally play on lower BI, but it might work as well.

 

[OzExorcist]

*raises eyebrows*

Ouch. Agree with everything before the river. I don't really see how we can fold against an awful player for just 400 on the turn either, and bluff-shoving does seem suicidal.

By the river I figure there's only a few groups of hands we can be up against - weak aces that paired their kicker, jacks with an average kicker, and bluffs. Maybe a medium pair in the hole too.

Trouble is, unless they're really REALLY bad I don't really see anything other than the jack shoving the river - it feels to me like they've put you on about the hand you have (or maybe better - AT/AQ, maybe KQ), played TPWK up to the river in mortal fear of an overcard, then figured they're good when the overcard doesn't come.

I could be way off, but I don't really see how we can call this.

 

[RickH2005]

Please excuse my poor english.

All double pair possibilities are trash hands like 59 / 39 and so on. Depends on how the BB considers you, and if hes really able to call oop with those kinds of hands.

You ve got a check/call flop, suck bet / blocking bet turn, and all-in river. This suits for 78. But that's all. A J wouldn't be played like this hum? So bluff range (or semi) is large enough to make you call for > 3 to 1 odds.

I normally play on lower BI, but it might work as well.

There's nothing wrong with your English--and I agree

 

[Steveg1976]

bump....results?

 

[switch0723]

before results, fwiw i fold here. We peeled the turn so that we could reach a relatively cheap showdown with our ace or maybe spike a pair and still reach a cheap showdown. The 9 on the river is kind of irrelevant imo since pairing our 9 doesn't really change our hand to 1 that beats a bigger range here than ace high. I don't see villain doing this with <9's so we basically have no choice but to fold unless your read is that he his bluffing. If you would call here with ace high then call, but i fold since our dream of reaching cheap showdown has been shattered.


(It's been a while since i've played sng's/anything other than HU, so my ranges could be wrong)

 

[vincemcnabb]

I would call....the guy acted extremely weak and the pot is big enough for the call size to be acceptable

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

lole late results.

i made a herocall based on "plays that make no sense are usually bluffs", villain had AQ, ship the monies.

i guess my main concern at the time was that the turn bet was a sucker bet with a huge hand to make it more likely he could get me to call a river shove, but then i remembered that villain wasn't really good enough at poker to be doing that.

if villain was a good player (or as close to a good player as you can get at $6s), I probably fold river or maybe even turn if he takes this exact same line. then again, a good player, despite what i just said probably doesn't take this line ever, so it all gets a little paradoxical.

 

[NineLions]

His turn bet really confused me; unless he thinks that you c-bet and now are folding to anything.

After the turn he guesses you have nothing and he has a good nothing. Then he reads the nine as a safe card, though why he shoves if he thinks he has a better nothing is beyond me. Maybe he's bluffing out AK/AQ.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

After the turn he guesses you have nothing and he has a good nothing. Then he reads the nine as a safe card, though why he shoves if he thinks he has a better nothing is beyond me. Maybe he's bluffing out AK/AQ.

Fishes tend to shove medium hands thinking they get called by weaker hands and fold stronger ones. Then they're usually very disappointed when villains do the exact opposite.