$15 turbo, 99 faced with MP LAG raiser

[ChuckTs]

We have only played one hand so far (first hand, AK in the BB, checked to see a flop and checked AA8 flop, bet turn and took it down on the river).

Villain is pretty LAG - 42/16/2.5, and we noted earlier that he raised with Q7s in 2nd position and called a small all in raise with it (and won).

The players behind me are a mix of tight aggressives and loose passives.

pokerstars Game #8708644587: Tournament #44334514, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/03/02 - 20:36:47 (ET)
Table '44334514 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: SL33P3R44 (2555 in chips)
Seat 2: Xr8ed (1675 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs (1545 in chips)
Seat 4: fishlvd2 (1260 in chips)
Seat 5: Prof4Poker (1965 in chips)
Seat 7: nellyupskirt (1390 in chips)
Seat 8: blainster (1730 in chips)
Seat 9: Finnisher (1380 in chips)
Prof4Poker: posts small blind 50
nellyupskirt: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [9h 9c]
blainster: folds
Finnisher: folds
SL33P3R44: raises 200 to 300
Xr8ed: folds
ChuckTs: ...

Easy push or do we wait to get our money in as 1st in?

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

We're ahead of his range and we have to imagine that we have some fold equity here (our reraise is not a 'small' one).

I shove.

 

[blankoblanco]

I definitely shove. He's the big stack, but not comfortably; we have a stack that can do very serious damage to him, and his ability to bully with marginal-holding raises. Between that and his wide range I think we have enough fold equity that I'm not particularly worried about not being first in. Even when he calls, I'd guess we're ahead of his calling range.

edit: and chris beats me by a minute and sums up basically just what i said, but more concisely, I LOSE

 

[shinedown.45]

I would really have to consider against a push here, you have 9-9 and with the 3xBB raise, he most definately has two overs, I would just call here and hope to hit my set. Villian is above average chipstack compared to the table which tells me that he knows what he's doing and would not raise if he wasn't confident in his hand and if I was to label him, I would label him a TAG player so just call this, if you push there's a good chance that he was trying to slowplay a PP higher than jacks and will most definately push you all-in and then you'll be forced to fold.

 

[blankoblanco]

shinedown,

a) If we push, he can't force us to fold..

b) He doesn't most definitely have two overs... he surely does this with lower pairs and we already have a read that he made this raise UTG+1 9-handed with a Q-7. We're now 8-handed and he's in later position, so his range is even wider than that

c) We'd have to call off 1/5 of our stack; not exactly getting good odds to play for set value here

d) If we just call, someone could easily look at a LAG player's raise, our just-call, and see a perfect opportunity for a squeeze play, often making us fold the best hand

e) If I've convinced you that calling sucks, it's raise or fold. Folding 99 here to a LAG raiser in a turbo with the reads we have is just super weak-tight (but it's still better than just calling IMO).

Not trying to be rude, I just think this advice is pretty misguided

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Villian is above average chipstack compared to the table which tells me that he knows what he's doing

Uh? Never seen a donk with chips before? ^^

"Calling to hit a set" is the absolute worst thing we could do here. You toss in 20 out of 1500 chips to try and hit a set - you don't call off a fifth of your stack to do it and leave yourself open to a squeeze play at the same time.

I would label him a TAG player so just call this, if you push there's a good chance that he was trying to slowplay a PP higher than jacks and will most definately push you all-in and then you'll be forced to fold.

We're forced to fold having pushed eh...?

 

[shinedown.45]

ok, should have read chucks intro first, I'm always doing that, advice first, read later .
Just goes to show me that I still have alot to learn, thanks guys

 

[ChuckTs]

Glad you guys say push...I think we have to push here.

I mean Q7s in 2nd position for a raise? He's a maniac. I just didn't want to have to race with him...

And re: shinedown's post; yes, reading the original post does help

Thanks for the input guys.

Results:

POKERSTARS GAME #8708644587: TOURNAMENT #44334514, $15+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/03/02 - 20:36:47 (ET)
Table '44334514 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: SL33P3R44 (2555 in chips)
Seat 2: Xr8ed (1675 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs (1545 in chips)
Seat 4: fishlvd2 (1260 in chips)
Seat 5: Prof4Poker (1965 in chips)
Seat 7: nellyupskirt (1390 in chips)
Seat 8: blainster (1730 in chips)
Seat 9: Finnisher (1380 in chips)
Prof4Poker: posts small blind 50
nellyupskirt: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [9h 9c]
blainster: folds
Finnisher: folds
SL33P3R44: raises 200 to 300
Xr8ed: folds
ChuckTs: raises 1245 to 1545 and is all-in
fishlvd2: folds
Prof4Poker: folds
nellyupskirt: folds
SL33P3R44: calls 1245
*** FLOP *** [3s 3d Jh]
*** TURN *** [3s 3d Jh] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [3s 3d Jh 9s] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SL33P3R44: shows [Qd Td] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
ChuckTs: shows [9h 9c] (a full house, Nines full of Threes)
ChuckTs collected 3240 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3240 | Rake 0
Board [3s 3d Jh 9s 8d]
Seat 1: SL33P3R44 showed [Qd Td] and lost with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 2: Xr8ed folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ChuckTs showed [9h 9c] and won (3240) with a full house, Nines full of Threes
Seat 4: fishlvd2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Prof4Poker (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: nellyupskirt (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: blainster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Finnisher folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[shinedown.45]

Glad you guys say push...I think we have to push here.

I mean Q7s in 2nd position for a raise? He's a maniac. I just didn't want to have to race with him...

And re: shinedown's post; yes, reading the original post does help

Thanks for the input guys.

Results:

POKERSTARS GAME #8708644587: TOURNAMENT #44334514, $15+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/03/02 - 20:36:47 (ET)
Table '44334514 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: SL33P3R44 (2555 in chips)
Seat 2: Xr8ed (1675 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs (1545 in chips)
Seat 4: fishlvd2 (1260 in chips)
Seat 5: Prof4Poker (1965 in chips)
Seat 7: nellyupskirt (1390 in chips)
Seat 8: blainster (1730 in chips)
Seat 9: Finnisher (1380 in chips)
Prof4Poker: posts small blind 50
nellyupskirt: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [9h 9c]
blainster: folds
Finnisher: folds
SL33P3R44: raises 200 to 300
Xr8ed: folds
ChuckTs: raises 1245 to 1545 and is all-in
fishlvd2: folds
Prof4Poker: folds
nellyupskirt: folds
SL33P3R44: calls 1245
*** FLOP *** [3s 3d Jh]
*** TURN *** [3s 3d Jh] 9♠
*** RIVER *** [3s 3d Jh 9s] 8♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SL33P3R44: shows [Qd Td] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
ChuckTs: shows [9h 9c] (a full house, Nines full of Threes)
ChuckTs collected 3240 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3240 | Rake 0
Board [3s 3d Jh 9s 8d]
Seat 1: SL33P3R44 showed [Qd Td] and lost with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 2: Xr8ed folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ChuckTs showed [9h 9c] and won (3240) with a full house, Nines full of Threes
Seat 4: fishlvd2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Prof4Poker (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: nellyupskirt (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: blainster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Finnisher folded before Flop (didn't bet)

villian did have two over cards, see, I had something right