$11 tourny, Pocket Ks early on.

SeanyJ

SeanyJ

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pokerstars Game #13184187945: Tournament #66049339, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/11/11 - 19:24:31 (ET)
Table '66049339 225' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Viv12345 (4340 in chips)
Seat 2: bondpoker (3270 in chips)
Seat 3: kgoulé (2690 in chips)
Seat 4: Laughinman2 (2745 in chips)
Seat 5: deGroen (3285 in chips)
Seat 6: SeanyJ24 (3325 in chips)
Seat 7: J_Smooth_85 (2775 in chips)
Seat 8: ldubw2110 (6045 in chips)
Seat 9: rocker33 (7285 in chips)
ldubw2110: posts small blind 15
rocker33: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SeanyJ24 [Ks Kh]
Viv12345: calls 30
bondpoker: folds
kgoulé: folds
Laughinman2: folds
deGroen: calls 30
SeanyJ24: raises 90 to 120
J_Smooth_85: folds
ldubw2110: folds
rocker33: folds
Viv12345: calls 90
deGroen: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [Jc Ts 6c]
Viv12345: checks
deGroen: bets 150
SeanyJ24: raises 405 to 555
Viv12345: folds
deGroen: calls 405
*** TURN *** [Jc Ts 6c] [8d]
deGroen: bets 600
SeanyJ24: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Jc Ts 6c 8d] [8h]
deGroen: bets 300

I probably should have re raised on the turn, I just got scared he made a straight. Villain has a 50% VPIP, AF of 5 and a Showdown % of 27.78% but thats only over 35 hands so it's not much help. What's your action on the river, the bet seems kinda weird..either he really wants me to re raise or he is just trying to block me from making a bet.
 
Cheetah

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I think a call is best. There are many hands you beat and many you don't. Also, you have enough chips left to continue if you lose.

He could have top pair (AJ) and his play would be consistent. But some crazy players go overboard with draws. So he could have a busted draw, flush or str8.

And of course a str8 is possible. He bet smallish on the flop, and called the raise. Many players will call an open-ended str8 here.
 
jaketrevvor

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Whatever he has he's bet it extremely wierdly... Q9 is most likely I gess with a very loose call PF (he is a loose player) but still very strange betting hmmm..:confused::confused::confused:

Could be KJ and he's lost the heart to pursue it perhaps? Please post and put me out of my misery/confusion!
 
SeanyJ

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I'll post the results once I get some more feedback :p
 
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jeffred1111

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On the flop, his bet + callign raise indicates that he has something. With him calling your preflop raise and such a big VPIP, he could very well have a a hand such as Q9s, JTs, med pp, etc. His AF negates any big PP (99+) or even AQ, AK hand, I think, since he would reraise. AJ is a distant possibility, as is AT.

His bet on the turn is weirdish since it doesn't give us a lot of indication of the strength of his hand. The way he donked two times into you indicates that he has something though: if he had an open-ended str8, he just filled up and if he has two pairs, he is afraid of the str8 and doesn't want you to draw for free.

His river bet is really a bet that says, I had two pairs (J6? JT) and now my hand is screwed since I realize you have a strong PP or a made hand that beats mine, please to be calling and not raising. That, or it's a bet that wants to get raised and figures to make some money the 99% of the time it is called since we can only call here since we have great pot odds to do so and are not behind all that often.

The way he also bet into you on all streets indicates a hand, but I wouldn't expect the nuts here since his AF is very high. I'm not raising here very often since I don't see him calling us with a hand that we beat (wich are not that numerous), altough his high showdown % indicates that he will go to war with a weak hand.
 
NineLions

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88, calling your flop raise because he was hoping it was a c-bet?


Seriously though, I'm with Cheetah on this one. The tiny river bet (1/2 the turn bet even) may indicate that he's giving up on this one but there's too many hands we could be behind. This looks too much like a WA/WB situation.
 
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88, calling your flop raise because he was hoping it was a c-bet?

If this is 88, this is the worst played 88 in the history of mankind on this board. If it is a set, villain should be hanged by the nuts for betting the river in such a horrible way, but I don't think this is a set (that filled a FH) because of AF and river bet.

Call and hope (and since you're talking about results, I guess he showed either air or some form of invincible nuts).
 
SeanyJ

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SeanyJ24: calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
deGroen: shows [Th 4h] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
SeanyJ24: shows [Ks Kh] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
SeanyJ24 collected 3315 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3315 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Ts 6c 8d 8h]
Seat 1: Viv12345 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: bondpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kgoulé folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Laughinman2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: deGroen showed [Th 4h] and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 6: SeanyJ24 showed [Ks Kh] and won (3315) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 7: J_Smooth_85 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ldubw2110 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: rocker33 (big blind) folded before Flop

I'm not sure what he was doing calling a raise, calling a re raise on the flop or betting out on he turn with 10 4 but he did.
 
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jeffred1111

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I'm not sure what he was doing calling a raise, calling a re raise on the flop or betting out on he turn with 10 4 but he did.

[x] Villain put you on AK (sorry, couldn't resist)
 
vanquish

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I was about to say "call since villain's two pair is counterfeited" but then i saw results :(
 
Emperor IX

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I was going to say "Call because he's half sized river bet looked more like a blocking bet" and saw that I was right :)
 
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Smells like QT or AT from the very beginning. Decent player with JT would reraise on flop or turn, or push all in by river. I would have reraised turn, incase he had a flush draw, and if he did have JT, I know I could dog him.
 
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