$11 NLHE MTT: When you open the smile on the flop

fernandovr

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Could someone fold?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 1,600/3,200 Blinds 320 Ante (9 handed) -

MP2 (t145,364)
MP3 (t123,360)
CO (t44,219)
Button (t47,081)
SB (t115,611)
BB (t291,942)
Hero (UTG) (t68,137)
UTG+1 (t142,607)
MP1 (t203,716)

Hero's M: 8.87

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A
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, 10
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Hero raises to t6,400, 1 fold, MP1 calls t6,400, 4 folds, SB calls t4,800, BB calls t3,200

Flop: (t28,480) J
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, Q
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, K
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(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t14,240, MP1 raises to t44,800, SB raises to t108,891 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t47,177 (All-In), MP1 calls t64,091

Turn: (t307,679) 2
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(3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t307,679) 2
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(3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t307,679

Results below:
SB had 10
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, 9
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(straight, King high).
Hero had A
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, 10
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(straight, Ace high).
MP1 had K
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, K
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(full house, Kings over twos).
Outcome: MP1 won t307,679
 
Gohaku94

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Well the answer to this question is yes, if i get timed out of my decision.
 
fernandovr

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Bem, a resposta para esta pergunta é sim, se eu ficar fora do tempo da minha decisão.




A rainbow flop and a straight, I really can't give up. I pictured the villain with AK KQ KJ, but what he really had I didn't imagine because I thought he would 3-bet preflop. Out of curiosity, I used the odds calculator and the result was

TA 77.05%
KJs 22.09%

TA 77.35%
KQs 21.93%

TA 81.29%
AKs 7.06%

TA 64.46%
KK 34.68%

(Using only one villain, if put 2, chances are on my side too)

In all the scenarios that I imagined, was in front, I can not see a different action, but it may be that my thinking is very restricted, I would like to know in which situation you would give up, it would be very good for me to develop a different view. thanks.
 
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a pity it was a big pot, I think anyone would fold on the flop.

GL :)
 
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Don't think you can ever fold there. Your always in front you'll be chopping at worst and up against KK QQ or JJ hoping that the board doesn't pair unlucky that it did. Preflop if mid position player raised like he should of with kings think you can think about letting A10 go. As played you can't ever get away there your a huge favourite
 
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SuzdalDEcor

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"Could someone fold?"
You had a nut on the flop. You rly thinking about fold? XD
 
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Don't think you can ever fold there. Your always in front you'll be chopping at worst and up against KK QQ or JJ hoping that the board doesn't pair unlucky that it did. Preflop if mid position player raised like he should of with kings think you can think about letting A10 go. As played you can't ever get away there your a huge favourite


Exactly what I thought, if had a 3-bet a fold would be fair but as no there was, I can't imagine a fold on the flop.
 
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Why MP1 and biggest stack on the table didn't reraise preflop , weird play .... Very Unlucky , to the next tournament :)
 
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I couldn't think of folding the way it was played, but it's worth seeing contrary views.
So, it is look like a crying... about another bad bit. All people eat it. Dont worry
 
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You did absolutely right. A short stack, a very strong hand after the flop and significant odds in your favor are naturally all-in. But your opponent in place MP1 made a mistake pre-flop, deciding to play the monster slowly and he should have been punished for his slowness, but the river decided everything. Your chances against the villain are 64 to 35, which means that in a similar situation you will approximately win 2 times and lose 1 time out of three. So don't be discouraged, it's just a theory of probability. Apparently your 2 out of 3 is yet to come.
 
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if you consider folding in this spot you should quit poker :D


perfect flop, unlucky outrun. not worth a thread because there is Nothing to analyze


edit: don't waste your time thinking About the Hand. there is Nothing you can do About it
 
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Your answer is very funny and successful.:wink:
There is nothing to analyze here, u cannot fold, thinking that they will make full on the turn and river.:p
if you consider folding in this spot you should quit poker :D


perfect flop, unlucky outrun. not worth a thread because there is Nothing to analyze


edit: don't waste your time thinking About the Hand. there is Nothing you can do About it
 
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We could have folded preflop, especially if it was right on the money bubble or an important pay jump. But since we did choose to open ATs UTG, this was presumably not the case, and then we are of course not folding the nuts on the flop. So as someone said already, this hand is basically just a bad beat story.

We cant even blame the Villain for the way, he played. Flatting KK preflop is of course unconventional, but if there were aggressive squeezers behind, it could make sense to mix it in now and then. And of the flop, of course he is getting it in with top set. Even if someone showed him a straight, he would still be priced in to call it off after making his raise.
 
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It is very unfortunate, as it played very slow, with a fairly wide range , played very strange , had a great possibility if you leave , pity that it was not so your odds, but it was not for you losing that move , you had to think a lot.!!! Bad move? , If bad game !!
 
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