$11 NLHE MTT: Deep, Big stacks, Big bounty

[Boo02]

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 36/15/1

Hi

Could I play it differently? 350/ 4500. Left.

Average stack - 40bb Average Bounty 12$.

80 bb -> top 30

Short Stack has 15$ bounty. Me 27$.



pokerstars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 800/1,600 (240 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 26,598 (17 bb)
UTG+1: 50,083 (31 bb)
MP: 62,564 (39 bb)
MP+1: 44,512 (28 bb)
CO: 39,452 (25 bb)
BU: 127,174 (79 bb)
SB: 24,542 (15 bb)
BB (Hero): 120,956 (76 bb)

Pre-Flop: (4,320) Hero is BB with Q♠ Q♣
5 players fold, BTN raises to 5,600, SB 3-bets to 24,302 (all-in), Hero 4-bets to 48,000, BTN 5-bets to 126,934 (all-in), Hero calls 72,716 (all-in)

Flop: (267,654) 9♣ J♣ K♥ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (267,654) 8♠ (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (267,654) A♣ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 267,654

Showdown:
BU shows K♣ A♦ (two pair, Aces and Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 35%, Flop: 15%, Turn: 7%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) shows Q♠ Q♣ (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 57%, Flop: 23%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

SB shows K♦ J♠ (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 8%, Flop: 62%, Turn: 79%, River: 0%)

BU wins 267,654

 

[Sidetracked]

Given the dynamics of the hand (button vs blinds, and add in the fact that the SB could be shoving pretty wide there) I think your play is fine.

It would have been a great time to win your 56.72% !

 

[fundiver199]

For me the only question here is, do we just call the 15BB jam from SB hoping to induce BTN to come over the top himself, or do we put in a small 4-bet, like you did. When BTN had AK, it makes no difference though, since its pretty much a forgone conclusion, that all the chips will end up in the middle, before we see a flop. There is no way, we are ever folding QQ preflop for less than 100BB in a late position battle, and even less so when both players have an extra incentive to get it in because of the bounty.

In a situation like this its always good to ask yourself, if you would have had questions about the hand, if you won it? And in this one I think, its fair to say, you would not. So its basically just a "it sucks, that I lost" kind of hand history. But losing is kind of poker, so just move on and play the next tournament. In a field this large only 1 in 500 people will reach the final table. And at least you made it into the money, so no worries

 

[QA77]

I think you played it fine. Since its a bounty MTT, maybe just calling to induce a shove is possible here. Or shoving is a possibility but not sure if QQ is in the shove range. In this case, I think the end result is the same. If you just call, BU will shove and don’t think you can fold QQ. Just unlucky result.

 

[eetenor]

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 36/15/1

Hi

Could I play it differently? 350/ 4500. Left.

Average stack - 40bb Average Bounty 12$.

80 bb -> top 30

Short Stack has 15$ bounty. Me 27$.



PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 800/1,600 (240 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 26,598 (17 bb)
UTG+1: 50,083 (31 bb)
MP: 62,564 (39 bb)
MP+1: 44,512 (28 bb)
CO: 39,452 (25 bb)
BU: 127,174 (79 bb)
SB: 24,542 (15 bb)
BB (Hero): 120,956 (76 bb)

Pre-Flop: (4,320) Hero is BB with Q♠ Q♣
5 players fold, BTN raises to 5,600, SB 3-bets to 24,302 (all-in), Hero 4-bets to 48,000, BTN 5-bets to 126,934 (all-in), Hero calls 72,716 (all-in)

Flop: (267,654) 9♣ J♣ K♥ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (267,654) 8♠ (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (267,654) A♣ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 267,654

Showdown:
BU shows K♣ A♦ (two pair, Aces and Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 35%, Flop: 15%, Turn: 7%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) shows Q♠ Q♣ (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 57%, Flop: 23%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

SB shows K♦ J♠ (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 8%, Flop: 62%, Turn: 79%, River: 0%)

BU wins 267,654

Thank you for posting

Have not seen results yet and have not read your full post.

Stopped replayer preflop before you have acted

We are way up in our range here and we are not folding to the SB shove so it is call or 4 bet.

It is good off table to create a data list to help us think deeper about the hand.

preflop data before we act:
1 BTN raiser made it 3.5x why? Does AA KK AK make it this sizing? It seems to be strong but not really strong type of bet. The getting 2 folds would be ok type raise from the BTN. But why? The BTN with a strong hand wants the SB to bust for bounties why a fold type raise?
2 SB with a bounty at stake shoves for 15bb. Do you have access to a GTO chart that you can review what range shoves? If so then input your hand vs that GTO range and check equities
3 SB skill level matters here as a skilled player would anticipate a BTN call or even a call from us trying to get that bounty.

So depending on the data from the BTN range -some players I would fold to because their range is literally AA KK AK for 3.5bb -I would min click back as a call gives the BTN odds to hit a AXs hand and take the bounty.

back to replayer
Great you min clicked but then the BTN shoves in my games I fold here. I now think it is AA KK AK unless the BTN is a really weak player.
You called.

The key here is how long did you take to call and what data did you use to decide to call other than you have QQ.

Data list example for call.
BTN does not make it 3.5x with AA KK
BTN does not know pot equity values and thinks the shove will get more folds than it should based on pot equity.
BTN is agg tard and will shove 65s I know because I have seen it
BTN will shove JJ-22 who knows why

Creating a data list is a good study exercise for deeper thinking about spots after they happen.

watching result now
OMFG what a terrible runout are we related soul brothers/sisters

If you did a similar data list and concluded that the BTN 3.5 was a strong hand AK AQ AJ etc that wanted protection calling it was fine. The question is only did you think about BTN range or did you just call because it was QQ. Not a big mistake if so but to improve our skills we want to be thinking about what the BTN tells might be indicating. AK may have been bottom of range here for the BTN.

Most online players may assume wider ranges for their V in all spots therefore QQ call is never wrong in this spot.

There was no other way to play it-if we call the BTN shoves and we then have to call off because the BTN range widens and QQ is well ahead of that range. Anything larger than a min click means we cannot fold so no bet sizing adjustment helps.


Hope this helps

 

[dallam]

Bounty games can be cruel, right?

Having said that sometimes it just turns out only a tactical game, and who has the bigger balls to go for it.
This case we see definitely a nice bet from the button. It could be such a wild range, but definitely great for the possible bounty and to maybe isolate you.
Booty gets in. Still fine. Now as you're coming.

I would never fold QQ here pre. And to continue this line, if I never fold QQ here, for what cards could I fold the ladies after flop? So in my eyes, the way to avoid the unavoidable is to jam.
We don't really want to be eliminated like A4s hitting A on the party. So having a monster hand, personally I don't want to involve the table's chipleader considering we standing amazing and other stacks are struggleing. So making 76bbs to 79bb maybe let think the villain that actually we have it, and not risking his/her whole stack because of this one bounty. >>> However you could be called still, but the main focus for me is putting max pressure our only real opponent on this table with this strong hand.

AKo is a nice hand, and we were really unlucky to end this journey like this. This couldn't be folded. If we held, we became a front-runner by a mile.

 

[popstani]

Well, I would jam all in here, and try to push out button player, and if he is not, we got pretty good hand to play with . If we win we will be probably in top five players, and almost all of us play to win, so pushing all of our chips in the middle, specially because it’s KO tournament, is not mistake.