$11 NLHE Deep Stacked: Wanted to gamble for a big stk also knowing loosing my stk was still over avg.

[BrentD22]

$11 NL HE Deep Stacked: Wanted to gamble for a big stk also knowing loosing my stk was still over avg.

full tilt poker Game #22103186973: Super Stack $10K Guarantee (170500921), Table 219 - 170/340 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:44:52 ET - 2010/07/05
Seat 1: kristalina86 (15,786)
Seat 2: Petitcanard77 (30,483)
Seat 3: CadetSamuel (26,015)
Seat 4: Brent2theD (39,515)
Seat 5: GR8BAMTINO (7,538)
Seat 6: HudiWho (25,650)
Seat 7: lauritha89 (13,985)
Seat 8: maddie4 (14,672)
Seat 9: woodywood32 (8,290)
kristalina86 antes 25
Petitcanard77 antes 25
CadetSamuel antes 25
Brent2theD antes 25
GR8BAMTINO antes 25
HudiWho antes 25
lauritha89 antes 25
maddie4 antes 25
woodywood32 antes 25
lauritha89 posts the small blind of 170
maddie4 posts the big blind of 340
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Brent2theD [8c Qc]
HudiWho: havent eaten either
woodywood32 calls 340
HudiWho: still hungover
kristalina86 folds
Petitcanard77 folds
CadetSamuel folds
CadetSamuel: its like 3 in the afternoon lol
Brent2theD raises to 980
HudiWho: lol
GR8BAMTINO has 15 seconds left to act
GR8BAMTINO folds
HudiWho folds
lauritha89 calls 810 (fish tard)
HudiWho: 12:30 here
maddie4 folds
woodywood32 calls 640 (lagtard)
*** FLOP *** [7c 6h 9d]
CadetSamuel: west coast?
HudiWho: rough night
lauritha89 has 15 seconds left to act
HudiWho: cali
CadetSamuel: nice
lauritha89 checks
HudiWho: u?
woodywood32 bets 7,285, and is all in
Brent2theD has 15 seconds left to act
Brent2theD has requested TIME
Brent2theD calls 7,285
lauritha89 has 15 seconds left to act
lauritha89 raises to 12,980, and is all in
Brent2theD has 15 seconds left to act
Brent2theD calls 5,695
lauritha89 shows [6s As]
woodywood32 shows [9s Ad]
Brent2theD shows [8c Qc]
*** TURN *** [7c 6h 9d] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [7c 6h 9d 3s] [4s]
lauritha89 shows a pair of Sixes
Brent2theD shows Queen Nine high
lauritha89 wins the side pot (11,390) with a pair of Sixes
woodywood32 shows a pair of Nines
woodywood32 wins the main pot (25,360) with a pair of Nines
HudiWho: wow
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 36,750 Main pot 25,360. Side pot 11,390. | Rake 0
Board: [7c 6h 9d 3s 4s]
Seat 1: kristalina86 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Petitcanard77 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: CadetSamuel folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Brent2theD showed [8c Qc] and lost with Queen Nine high
Seat 5: GR8BAMTINO folded before the Flop
Seat 6: HudiWho (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: lauritha89 (small blind) showed [6s As] and won (11,390) with a pair of Sixes
Seat 8: maddie4 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: woodywood32 showed [9s Ad] and won (25,360) with a pair of Nines

 

[tenbob]

Convert hands like that please if you want input. I read the until the bit w/ antes.

 

[BrentD22]

Getting 1.5:1 on calling the utg villans shove I only needed 40% equity and I was getting at least that.

Questions

What is blind thinking with overshoving with no fold equity?

When fishy villans like this open over shove the pot do most of you see extreme weakness or strength? I saw weakness thinking it was also possible a small % of the time that not only was my straight draw there and my Q live, but maybe even my 8 was live as well.

What would have been your decision? Fold, call, or raise to shut out blind?

With my hand should I even be making blind fold or actually getting blind to shove so I can call off getting extremely good odds on that call as well?

All of this of course was me realizing that I would still have a stk well above avg. if I lost and then one of the chip leaders if I won.

 

[BrentD22]

hand would not convert for some reason sry.

 

[BrentD22]

reposted in new thread copy paste from 2+2

 

[WiZZiM]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 170/340 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t15786)
MP1 (t30483)
MP2 (t26015)
Hero (MP3) (t39515)
CO (t7538)
Button (t25650)
SB (t13985)
BB (t14672)
UTG (t8290)

Hero's M: 53.76

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8

, Q

UTG calls t340, 3 folds, Hero bets t980, 2 folds, SB calls t810, 1 fold, UTG calls t640

Flop: (t3505) 7

, 6

, 9

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets t7285 (All-In), Hero calls t7285, SB raises to t12980 (All-In), Hero calls t5695

Turn: (t36750) 9

(3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t36750) 3

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t36750

 

[WiZZiM]

I'm not a huge equity guy, but i highly doubt we have 40% equity here...

without reads, whats a guy overshoving the flop with? seems to me he probably has a pair and a draw, two pair, top pair hands, or he was slowplaying a big pair pre, all of those hands make sense, so i punched in what i think his range of overshoving would be on this flop, i also we have to assume some of our 'outs' only give us half the pot, and he may have blockers to our straight too.. anyways it turns out to around 37% equity. but that didnt take into account that he probably has blockers, so it's probably less in reality.

I'm actually interested to see what others think about this hand... i don't normally use poker stove to work out things.. hopefully someone can proove me wrong

But yeah, im folding this, because im a useless MTT player, but also i fail to see that were getting decent odds with a decent chance of winning.

 

[BrentD22]

But yeah, im folding this, because im a useless MTT player, but also i fail to see that were getting decent odds with a decent chance of winning

Poker Stove results

Board: 7c 9d 6h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.364% 44.49% 01.87% 40082 1687.50 { Qc8c }
Hand 1: 53.636% 51.76% 01.87% 46633 1687.50 { TT+, 88, A9s, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 54s, A9o, J9o+, T9o }

I'm more and more realizing that this call was not spewy especially considering my stk would be well above avg. even if I lost.

 

[BrentD22]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 170/340 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t15786)
MP1 (t30483)
MP2 (t26015)
Hero (MP3) (t39515)
CO (t7538)
Button (t25650)
SB (t13985)
BB (t14672)
UTG (t8290)

Hero's M: 53.76

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8

, Q

UTG calls t340, 3 folds, Hero bets t980, 2 folds, SB calls t810, 1 fold, UTG calls t640

Flop: (t3505) 7

, 6

, 9

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets t7285 (All-In), Hero calls t7285, SB raises to t12980 (All-In), Hero calls t5695

Turn: (t36750) 9

(3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t36750) 3

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t36750

Incorrect M...

UTG+1: t15786.00 M = 30.95
UTG+2: t30483.00 M = 59.77
MP1: t26015.00 M = 51.01
Hero (MP2): t39515.00 M = 77.48
CO: t7538.00 M = 14.78
BTN: t25650.00 M = 50.29
SB: t13985.00 M = 27.42
BB: t14672.00 M = 28.77
UTG: t8290.00 M = 16.25

 

[BrentD22]

with those stove numbers I'm trying to figure out why so many people say fold. Can someone educate me?

 

[WiZZiM]

Ill punch in the range i think are suitable, Are people on 2 + 2 saying this is a fold too? I'm not really sure about it still, id like to see some feedback by better players than i. But i still fail to see how we get 40% equity, and how calling with these terrible odds can be good with an unmade hand. we have to be behind here a majority of the time.

anyways heres a screenie of a quick range i gave the guy... Im not sure if hes going to call with the 95 off type hands though, so i can probably get rid of those, ill try again after lunch, when i have time to sit down and look at it..

 

[BrentD22]

Because I played with this villan for 2 hours I got a good idea of how he played. First off I will dismiss TT+ only because he would almost without question be 4 bet shipping as well as AK. If he had set's on the flop he would almost without question check/raise vs. open ship. So I dismissed these hands from his range. I also had a hard time putting him on any 2 pr hands because even though he was a limptard 44/0 HUD he very unlikely would limp call with 97 or 96. This leaves an educated guess of his range being what I inputed in to stove.

I do want to say that I did completely understand it was somewhat of a spewy call at the time, but like I said I would still have been above avg. in chips if I called and lost and if I won I would be up there with chip leaders.