$11 NL HE MTT: WCOOP $11 Bounty Builder

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

11

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

This is one of the tournaments that I played last night. Here we are 60 players left from 10 000+.

On the BTN I have only a few stats since I was moved at this table. Here are the stats after 22 hands: VPIP 22 PFR 19

Do you guys fold this pre-flop?
Is calling a 3-bet there a mistake? (since I opened and I have 47bb I decided to call the 3-bet, if it wasn't suited I would have not raised in the first place...I do also call here with T9s, 89s, J10s, QJs )

Given that he bets almost pot on the flop, do you call? What hands do you think he has here? *Here is what I thought he had

Spoiler

(55,88,99,TT,QQ,KK, AK,AQ, AT,A9s)

And since I called the flop, what do you do on turn?

pokerstars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 10,000/20,000 (3,000 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 853,252 (43 bb)
UTG+1: 1,694,388 (85 bb)
MP: 247,938 (12 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 934,116 (47 bb)
CO: 950,106 (48 bb)
BU: 1,188,016 (59 bb)
SB: 808,763 (40 bb)
BB: 430,042 (22 bb)

Pre-Flop: (54,000) Hero is MP+1 with 6♥ 7♥
3 players fold, Hero raises to 42,000, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to 120,000, 2 players fold, Hero calls 78,000

Flop: (294,000) J♥ A♥ A♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 260,000, Hero calls 260,000

Turn: (814,000) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 805,016 (all-in), Hero ? (all-in)

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
I dont think, it would be a big mistake to fold to the 3-bet, but if we plug the hand into a solver, I would assume, that 76s is at least a partial call for board coverage.

Flop
Again going back to solver land, the opponent is almost certainly not supposed to bet this large on a paired board with two aces. And the fact, he did it, kind of make me want to fold right now. First of all I dont think, you can profitably raise, because I dont think, he has a range for betting this large and then folding to a jam. And if you call and miss, you will likely be facing a turn jam, which you can then not call, so often you will end up being pushed off some of your equity. Finally you are not drawing to the nuts. If you make a flush, he might have a better flush, or a full house since the board is paired. So some percentage of the time you will make a second best hand on the turn, which will then cost you the rest of your chips. Here for instance you improved on 2h, but that hand also gave A2s a boat. Or he could have AJ or JJ, in which case you are drawing completely dead already.

Turn
You made the flush and face a bet of 805k into a pot of 814k, but its only 554k for you to call, since you are the effective stack. I just dont see, how you can possibly make it this far and then fold, when you made your hand. So of course you have to call, and if you ended up losing, the solution is to fold preflop or on the flop.

 

[300HPGOD]

Pre: I dont think I am getting involved here from middle position with 47 BBs and everyone having about the same stack as me behind me that would be left to act. I dont think we are deep enough from this exact position (depends on how weak the players are behind us too) to be opening 76 suited. Maybe that is too tight from me so interested in what others think about the open here off this stack and position. When we do open and then get 3 bet roughly 3x I think we should be calling then with this type of hand. Like I said I dont think I would be getting in the hand but if I VPIPed and then got a smallish (for online anyway) 3 bet having a hand like suited connectors I would not be folding.

Flop: I agree a lot with Fundiver on this except I believe AJ and JJ are non existent. We are not super deep effective here so villain would have no issue getting all the chips in with 3 streets so they would not have to go this big. With this sizing, which is weird, my guess (and its just a guess to be honest) is that villain has Ax and feels like the only thing you would be calling with on this flop regardless of sizing would be Ax, flush draw, and JJ. That may not be true with flush draws but it could be. We are in a weird spot here, we called the 3 bet and then got our draw yet we are still not liking it. If we call its almost 1/3rd of our stack and then to me we cant be folding. We cant call flop but then fold turn when we miss and jamming here seems to make little sense to me as you would get enough folds (or any maybe) and I am putting them on Ax which is never folding. I think the right play here is fold and the more I think about it villains bet sizing is really good... if they knew exactly what two cards we have. I dont think they do this with a draw of their own or just Jx. This seems very heavy Ax.

Turn: We get the flush and you correctly check. There is no way after calling the 3 bet and calling the large flop bet that you can fold now. This has to be a snap call imo. I already believe that if you call flop you are married to your hand until death do you part and you wound up hitting so to me, as played, this is an easy call.

 

[eetenor]

This is one of the tournaments that I played last night. Here we are 60 players left from 10 000+.

On the BTN I have only a few stats since I was moved at this table. Here are the stats after 22 hands: VPIP 22 PFR 19

Do you guys fold this pre-flop?
Is calling a 3-bet there a mistake? (since I opened and I have 47bb I decided to call the 3-bet, if it wasn't suited I would have not raised in the first place...I do also call here with T9s, 89s, J10s, QJs )

Given that he bets almost pot on the flop, do you call? What hands do you think he has here? *Here is what I thought he had

Spoiler

(55,88,99,TT,QQ,KK, AK,AQ, AT,A9s)

And since I called the flop, what do you do on turn?

PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 10,000/20,000 (3,000 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 853,252 (43 bb)
UTG+1: 1,694,388 (85 bb)
MP: 247,938 (12 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 934,116 (47 bb)
CO: 950,106 (48 bb)
BU: 1,188,016 (59 bb)
SB: 808,763 (40 bb)
BB: 430,042 (22 bb)

Pre-Flop: (54,000) Hero is MP+1 with 6♥ 7♥
3 players fold, Hero raises to 42,000, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to 120,000, 2 players fold, Hero calls 78,000

Flop: (294,000) J♥ A♥ A♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 260,000, Hero calls 260,000

Turn: (814,000) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 805,016 (all-in), Hero ? (all-in)

This is a bounty and bounty MTT have different ranges than standard- Our V are going to flat with hands that crush us post flop so opening here with 76s is a very light open at this stack depth ratio and position.

When we get three bet it becomes even worse because now our V can make huge bets and deny our EQR post flop or pot control and bluff rivers more often---In bounty MTT huge betting is a real thing--the bounty makes the V want to play for stacks not for thin value- because we are playing for stacks we will be betting very polar and when we are polar we use large sizing , So JJ can play this way exactly because they expect you to fold most of range to a 3 bet pre OOP and most of range on the flop so JJ can target flush draws and AX so the bet can be very large and the 2 on the turn is gin as you having A2 preflop is low freq... so they will shove JJ 100% on turn to get your bounty---Even if you fold an Ax hand the V wins with the turn shove because they increase their stack size to fight for more bounties more often.
If this V has any skill the turn shove will be very nutty- hopefully they were not skilled and they over played trips and you held or incorrectly thought this was a bluff spot because they did not understand how strong your range interaction is when you called flop.
One further point -The V could have trips with Kh or Qh kicker and decide to stick it in as well- hopefully you held

 

[fundiver199]

Flop: I agree a lot with Fundiver on this except I believe AJ and JJ are non existent. We are not super deep effective here so villain would have no issue getting all the chips in with 3 streets so they would not have to go this big. With this sizing, which is weird, my guess (and its just a guess to be honest) is that villain has Ax.

I agree, that we are against AX a lot here, and most likely a good AX like AK or AQ. If they flopped a boat, they would probably not play it so fast, since it needs no protection. And they would also not want to commit themselfes to the pot, if they had some kind of draw or risk so much on a pure C-bet bluff. So maybe the risk of being dead or getting overflushed is not that much of a concern. But even against a range of just AK/AQ, we still only have 24% equity, since they can still boat up or make a higher flush on a 4-flush runout. So even if we cap their range, we are still not getting the right odds to draw against such a large flop bet.

 

[mariussica88]

This is the hand, I was a bit surprised that he took this path, and bet so aggressive with nuts pretty much


PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 10,000/20,000 (3,000 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 853,252 (43 bb)
UTG+1: 1,694,388 (85 bb)
MP: 247,938 (12 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 934,116 (47 bb)
CO: 950,106 (48 bb)
BU: 1,188,016 (59 bb)
SB: 808,763 (40 bb)
BB: 430,042 (22 bb)

Pre-Flop: (54,000) Hero is MP+1 with 6♥ 7♥
3 players fold, Hero raises to 42,000, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to 120,000, 2 players fold, Hero calls 78,000

Flop: (294,000) J♥ A♥ A♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 260,000, Hero calls 260,000

Turn: (814,000) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 805,016 (all-in), Hero calls 551,116 (all-in)

River: (1,916,232) 9♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 1,916,232

Showdown:
BU shows A♣ J♦ (a full house, Aces full of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 100%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

MP+1 (Hero) shows 6♥ 7♥ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 0%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BU wins 1,916,232

 

[fundiver199]

I am also a little surpriced, he made it a 2 street hand with a flopped boat. In his position I would have distributed the bets over all 3 streets in order to get more action. But if he play a flopped boat like this, your flop call becomes even more of a disaster. So the lesson of the hand is to not call with a draw on a paired board, unless your opponent bet something very small like 1/3 pot or maybe 1/2 pot at most.

 

[eetenor]

This is the hand, I was a bit surprised that he took this path, and bet so aggressive with nuts pretty much


PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 10,000/20,000 (3,000 ante) - 8 players


UTG: 853,252 (43 bb)
UTG+1: 1,694,388 (85 bb)
MP: 247,938 (12 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 934,116 (47 bb)
CO: 950,106 (48 bb)
BU: 1,188,016 (59 bb)
SB: 808,763 (40 bb)
BB: 430,042 (22 bb)

Pre-Flop: (54,000) Hero is MP+1 with 6♥ 7♥
3 players fold, Hero raises to 42,000, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to 120,000, 2 players fold, Hero calls 78,000

Flop: (294,000) J♥ A♥ A♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 260,000, Hero calls 260,000

Turn: (814,000) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 805,016 (all-in), Hero calls 551,116 (all-in)

River: (1,916,232) 9♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 1,916,232

Showdown:
BU shows A♣ J♦ (a full house, Aces full of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 100%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

MP+1 (Hero) shows 6♥ 7♥ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 0%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BU wins 1,916,232

As I stated above when playing bounty MTT our range expectations change drastically when we are bounty available---We have no incentive to play wide ranges in 3 bet pots with EQR hands like this at this stack depth preflop and no reason to continue on most boards post flop that we are not drawing to the nuts. Even with a nut draw our V is incentivized to put stacks in on the turn on most boards when they think they have the advantage on that street.
If we are playing bounty strat then our V in this spot can target a very narrow range of hands by us that will continue literally--- Ax and flush draws and when they do that the betting can be polar- they are betting to get stacks in. Pot size flop bets are common in PKO strat

It is important that we study PKO strat bet sizing.
As well as player pool tendencies of over betting in PKO even when it may be incorrect