$1 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Was the turn bet to small?

[bounce 2018]

I can't remember the villians stats on this hand. I do know when I was called by the two villians they were playing quite a few hands so their ranges could be wide. My biggest question is how would you have played the turn?

Full Tilt - 20/40 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (UTG): 4,070.00
UTG+1: 2,800.00
MP: 3,000.00
MP+1: 5,085.00
LP: 1,300.00
CO: 2,535.00
BTN: 5,980.00
SB: 5,945.00
BB: 2,940.00
SB posts SB 20.00, BB posts BB 40.00
Pre Flop: (60.00) Hero has Q♠ A♣
Hero raises to 120.00, fold, MP calls 120.00, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 120.00, SB calls 100.00, fold
Flop: (520.00, 4 players) 5♦ Q♦ 2♣
SB checks, Hero bets 400.00, MP calls 400.00, BTN calls 400.00, fold
Turn: (1720.00, 3 players) 5♥
Hero bets 700.00, MP calls 700.00, BTN calls 700.00

Was the bet to small?

 

[c9h13no3]

You're giving a flush draw (a 4:1 draw) 3.5:1 odds. 4.5:1 if the other player in the pot comes along.

After the flop bet, you've got 3550 left. After the turn bet, you have 2850 (M=47.5) behind in a 3120 pot. So stack-size wise, I like it.

I might bet a little bigger, to deny a flush draw. But other than that, the size is good. I'd bet more like 860 (half pot), but this slight under bet isn't bad and leaves you with almost 70 big blinds left.

The real problem is you're just in a nasty spot. You're OOP with a low SPR hand (0-6 SPR), with an SPR that's of medium size (7.6). So I think some of the problem could be alleviated preflop, by raising to 5xBB's. If you get two callers, that makes an SPR of 6.4, which is a lot more preferable to 3 callers with an SPR of 7.6.

So I think my advice for this hand would be to raise larger up front in situations like these, 200 chips should do the trick. It will create a better SPR for your hand, it will limit the number of players you're playing against, and it should make the hand a little easier to play postflop.

 

[WiZZiM]

Sorry to derail this. But, C9, what are some good resources to read up on stuff like SPR and such. I have 'small stakes holdem' by Ed Miller, that i havent started reading. I really have no idea where to start as I haven't really read any poker books. I think i probably have an 'idea' of what you're talking about, but i'd like to have a better understanding of some of these concepts.

 

[bounce 2018]

You're giving a flush draw (a 4:1 draw) 3.5:1 odds. 4.5:1 if the other player in the pot comes along.

After the flop bet, you've got 3550 left. After the turn bet, you have 2850 (M=47.5) behind in a 3120 pot. So stack-size wise, I like it.

I might bet a little bigger, to deny a flush draw. But other than that, the size is good. I'd bet more like 860 (half pot), but this slight under bet isn't bad and leaves you with almost 70 big blinds left.

The real problem is you're just in a nasty spot. You're OOP with a low SPR hand (0-6 SPR), with an SPR that's of medium size (7.6). So I think some of the problem could be alleviated preflop, by raising to 5xBB's. If you get two callers, that makes an SPR of 6.4, which is a lot more preferable to 3 callers with an SPR of 7.6.

So I think my advice for this hand would be to raise larger up front in situations like these, 200 chips should do the trick. It will create a better SPR for your hand, it will limit the number of players you're playing against, and it should make the hand a little easier to play postflop.

I tried to price it to where the flush draw was making a bad call if the draw did indeed draw. I didn't factor in to much that both players would call. I know they were playing loose and that could have been my fault not factoring in that both villians would call. That is where my bet sizing has to improve. Thanks for your help.