$1 NLHE Deep Stack: top pair vs limp all-in

[aznman08]

$1 NL HE Deep Stack: top pair vs limp all-in

So in the daily dollar tournament at Full Tilt, somehow I survived the donkfest and managed get deep (about 60 players left) when this hand occured.

the villan's stats (VPIP/PRF/AF) were 21/8/3, however the past couple of hands he limped in pf and flat called bets on the flop and pushed all-in on the turn so I'm in a bit of a predicament.


Full Tilt, 6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,500 ante NL Hold'em Tourney, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
BB: 210,747 (17.6 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): 583,884 (48.7 bb)
MP1: 308,735 (25.7 bb)
MP2: 785,505 (65.5 bb)
MP3: 274,755 (22.9 bb)
CO: 316,640 (26.4 bb)
BTN: 422,780 (35.2 bb)
SB: 370,590 (30.9 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q♥ K♣
Hero calls 12,000, 2 folds, MP3 calls 12,000, 3 folds, BB checks
Flop: (54,000) 4♦ Q♣ 2♣ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 24,000, MP3 calls 24,000, BB folds
Turn: (102,000) 3:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets 102,000, MP3 raises to 237,255 and is all-in, Hero calls 135,255

Did I do the right thing as to bet on the turn or even call his all in despte getting about 5-1 pot odds?

 

[SONIC589]

hmm the turn just gave the cards to complete a straight. Since villian limped in theres a good chance he had 56 and made the straight. I probably would not have called his all in. He flat called the flop and reraised all in on the turn, theres a very good chance he was not bluffing there and I would have layed it down.

 

[Jillychemung]

If you are going to play KQo from EP then raise, don't open limp here. IMHO fold pre-flop here.

On the flop your bet is too small, why give opponent 3.25-1 to call here? With the 2 clubs on the flop I'd be making a full pot bet here.

As played I don't see how you can turn down the 5-1 odds since you played it so passively opponent will have air or a middle pair here as lot.

 

[cjay142]

If you are going to play KQo from EP then raise, don't open limp here. IMHO fold pre-flop here.

On the flop your bet is too small, why give opponent 3.25-1 to call here? With the 2 clubs on the flop I'd be making a full pot bet here.

As played I don't see how you can turn down the 5-1 odds since you played it so passively opponent will have air or a middle pair here as lot.

What he said.

You can't be open limping EP w/ KQo, very marginal for the position.

As for flop I think you should be betting something more like ~36K because of the drawy board, small Axs are def in his preflop flatting range.

As played you have to call the turn shove w/ the odds you're getting as you could have him outkicked and he could likely be drawing.

 

[jdeliverer]

You're still way ahead of his range as played. Call the all in. I could see him shoving with Q-5, or even a small pair with a flush draw. I wouldn't agree with Jilly about betting full pot on the flop necessarily, but that's another argument. I personally would bet about 3/4 of the pot.

Of course, it was already said that KQ is no good in EP.

 

[LizzyJ]

hmm the turn just gave the cards to complete a straight. Since villian limped in theres a good chance he had 56 and made the straight. I probably would not have called his all in. He flat called the flop and reraised all in on the turn, theres a very good chance he was not bluffing there and I would have layed it down.

This pretty much says it all. The only thing i would add is that MP3 might also have an A-5. There is a remote chance he had 3-3 and just made his set on the turn, but that is not likely.

Soooooooo. I would put MP3 on a suited 5-6 or an A-5 and filled his straight on the turn. Why else would he re-raise all-in? Plus suited connectors and hands like A5 are great speculative hands, especially if you can play them for cheap.

You were first to the pot, just curious, why didn't you raise?


Lastly, congrats on going deep into the Daily Dollar. that's a long, tough tournament with land mines everywhere.

 

[bfw0082]

I think I would fold, wouldnt surprise me to see the player flip over A 5 of clubs.

Another 100,000 is pretty big in your stack and it probably would be better spent raising the next time you get a nice hand preflop, can kind of think of it as a free raise.

I always try and think that making the right decision is key in MTT play, even though you have 5-1, with the blinds, stacks, players remaining, that 135,000 is really valuable.

Id suggest saving those chips to bet your next hand, that is what I think.

Not sure what they would chase with here with the blinds so high, so a flush draw is possible, and making the straight sounds about right.

 

[Mr Alacran]

The Daily Dollar is full of people who basically don't know what they're doing. I FT'ed the tournament a couple of nights ago and was amazed at the stupid plays some players did even when we were down to 27, 18 players. So, taking this into account, I would guess that you're ahead of most of his range in this spot, and 56 or A5 are near the top of his range. Many times this can be a pair and a straight draw.

Other than that, raise PF, bet harder on the flop. I just realised the turn put another flush draw out there, so it is quite possible that Villian is overshoving with, idk, something like QJdd.

 

[aznman08]

thanks for all your responses. I didnt limp since the table had a bunch of fishes so I thought if I flopped something I had a chance to double up

This pretty much says it all. The only thing i would add is that MP3 might also have an A-5. There is a remote chance he had 3-3 and just made his set on the turn, but that is not likely.

Soooooooo. I would put MP3 on a suited 5-6 or an A-5 and filled his straight on the turn. Why else would he re-raise all-in? Plus suited connectors and hands like A5 are great speculative hands, especially if you can play them for cheap.

You were first to the pot, just curious, why didn't you raise?


Lastly, congrats on going deep into the Daily Dollar. that's a long, tough tournament with land mines everywhere.

thanks for that I decided to use the 50 FTP points freeroll to add to my account, turns out I "mistakely" forgot to unregister but I ended up cashing at least $15 and im probably will start my $0-$1k run

turns out he was fishing on the flop with an A-x s (with no straight draw on the flop) but unfortunately hit runner-runner for a flush

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, 6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,500 ante NL Hold'em Tourney, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
BB: 210,747 (17.6 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): 583,884 (48.7 bb)
MP1: 308,735 (25.7 bb)
MP2: 785,505 (65.5 bb)
MP3: 274,755 (22.9 bb)
CO: 316,640 (26.4 bb)
BTN: 422,780 (35.2 bb)
SB: 370,590 (30.9 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q:heart: K:club:
Hero calls 12,000, 2 folds, MP3 calls 12,000, 3 folds, BB checks
Flop: (54,000) 4:diamond: Q:club: 2:club: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 24,000, MP3 calls 24,000, BB folds
Turn: (102,000) 3:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets 102,000, MP3 raises to 237,255 and is all-in, Hero calls 135,255
River: (576,510) T:diamond: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: 576,510 pot
MP3 showed A:diamond: 6:diamond: (a flush, Ace high) and won 576,510 (301,755 net)
Hero showed Q:heart: K:club: (a pair of Queens) and lost (-274,755 net)

 

[Jillychemung]

On the turn - not really a bad play by MP3 since s/he had the nut flush draw + 3 more 5's + 3 more Ace's to back up the bluff shove.