$1.10 NLHE MTT: 6-max turbo A8s in BTN

[mariussica88]

BB has only 9 hands played with VPIP 38 PFR 38

Do you guys call here? At this point in the tournament we are still well away from the money position.


pokerstars - 100/200 Ante 25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: 3,425 (17.1 bb)
CO: 2,291 (11.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 10,631 (53.2 bb)
SB: 18,360 (91.8 bb)
BB: 8,118 (40.6 bb)

5 players post ante of 25, SB posts 100, BB posts 200

Pre Flop: (pot: 425) Hero has
2 folds, Hero raises to 460, fold, BB calls 260

Flop: (1,145, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 550, BB raises to 2,795, Hero calls 2,245

Turn: (6,735, 2 players)
BB bets 4,838 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: 6,735 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

BB wins 6,735

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Standard open.

Flop
Standard C-bet. His raise is very large in fact the full size of the pot. Even so I think, its to tight to lay down the nut flushdraw on the flop on an unpaired board. So I will start by removing folding from the list of options. Left then is call or jam, and if there is any fold equity, jamming is best. However how often are people raising full pot and then folding to a 3-bet? I just dont see that happening, so I prefer to call and see, what happen on the turn.

Turn
This is a very bad card for you, because if he have a hand like KQ, now you can no longer win on an ace or on Q of spades, because that will make him a full house. So you went from 12 to 8 outs against that kind of hand, there is only one more card to come, and you could be drawing completely dead against a boat. You do beat some bluffs like his worse flushdraws, but realistically there is not going to be enough of that stuff in his range to make up for the times, you are drawing dead or have 8 outs.

 

[IADaveMark]

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Turn
This is a very bad card for you, because if he have a hand like KQ, now you can no longer win on an ace or on Q of spades, because that will make him a full house. So you went from 12 to 8 outs against that kind of hand, there is only one more card to come, and you could be drawing completely dead against a boat. You do beat some bluffs like his worse flushdraws, but realistically there is not going to be enough of that stuff in his range to make up for the times, you are drawing dead or have 8 outs.

Even if the boaty board didn't get there, that bet sizing is too much for the flush draw. With 9 outs remaining, you have about 20% to hit on the river. That means you need 4:1 on pot odds. With close to 5000 into 11500 you are only getting 2.3:1. Even if you take your A into account as a possible win card if it pairs, that makes it 10 outs or about 21%. Still not enough. But as diver pointed out, you may be drawing dead if the boat already got there.

 

[mikeajax15]

Agree with above comments.

Only other thing to mention is the size of the cbet. I would go smaller, more like 33 percent.

 

[300HPGOD]

Pre flop is fine so I will jump to the flop. I think your bet can/should be smaller as we have a nice draw but nothing else. I get the fold equity aspect but I think a sizing of 450 or 475 works better in the long run and if villain were to fold to 550 they would also fold to 475. Once we get raised and the size of the raise villain makes it I think this becomes a jam or fold spot. I dont want to call this much to basically fold almost all turns that dont help my hand and most turns wont help. If we are going to continue with this hand we should know that we are behind almost exclusively (we dont know villains bluffing frequency in spots like this if any) here as Kx (minus AK) we are slightly behind 44% ish (with seeing both cards to come) and of course sets and two pairs we are further behind. With knowing that then we would need some fold equity to help us out a bit and I would think Kx would fold to a jam. Sets and two pairs (I dont see two pair here unless a suited 43 calls which I doubt) arent going anywhere but its still better imo to jam on those hands instead of calling if we are to continue. Without knowing how much villain bluffs I think folding is not the worst thing in the world here. I wouldnt go that route in game but it would be on my mind.

As played on the turn its maybe the worst card in the deck as I think we were up against Kx or a set and all those just improved and sets now have us dead. No decision but to fold on the turn but again I believe one of the benefits to going all in on the flop is not only the possible fold equity but also the guarantee that we get to see both turn and river. We pay for that privilege but it does come with benefits as well.

 

[mariussica88]

Thank you for your reply's.
This is the full hand. I made a note on this player since I noticed that he plays like this with nuts hands (he likes to show his hand after any of his opponents fold).
But what I noticed was that he played very aggressive when he bluffs also. (He got knocked out like that - tried to play very aggressive with on a )



PokerStars - 100/200 Ante 25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: 3,425 (17.1 bb)
CO: 2,291 (11.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 10,631 (53.2 bb)
SB: 18,360 (91.8 bb)
BB: 8,118 (40.6 bb)

5 players post ante of 25, SB posts 100, BB posts 200

Pre Flop: (pot: 425) Hero has
2 folds, Hero raises to 460, fold, BB calls 260

Flop: (1,145, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 550, BB raises to 2,795, Hero calls 2,245

Turn: (6,735, 2 players)
BB bets 4,838 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: 6,735 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

BB shows : (Full House, Kings full of Fours)
(Pre 0%)

BB wins 6,735

 

[fundiver199]

So he flopped two pair. Against this kind of hand getting it in on the flop would obviously have been very bad, since you only had 33% equity, and there is no chance, he would have folded. Maybe there is even an argument for folding, when he essentially commit himself, because it could be indicative of this exact kind of hand. Kind of playing scared, because he dont want to get drawn out on. But anyways definitely a good fold on the turn saving you more than half the chips, you would have lost by getting it in.