$1.10 NLHE 45-man: Pocket Tens for SNG life

[-Phil Ivey27]

The villains stats are off of only 2 hands and they played one. I wasn't really sure what to do here as this is definitely muckable. But, I figured I was up against AJ+ 88+ because generally there ranges are pretty bad. It's not like he can't have JJ-AA here, but if he does screw it I said. What would you do?

full tilt poker $1 + $0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1164879
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MP2: t1625 13.54 BBs
CO: t2830 23.58 BBs
BTN: t2765 23.04 BBs
SB: t3935 32.79 BBs
BB: t3600 30 BBs
UTG: t6225 51.88 BBs
UTG+1: t3465 28.88 BBs
Hero (UTG+2): t2215 18.46 BBs
MP1: t3365 28.04 BBs

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is UTG+2 with T :heart: T :spade:
UTG calls t120, 1 fold, Hero raises to t480, 3 folds, BTN raises to t2765 all in, 3 folds, Hero ??

 

[the lab man]

Phil don't show the results of the hand next time, leave it at your deceision, you will get much better feedback, I know its helped me.

Was it a MTT SnG???

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

Phil don't show the results of the hand next time, leave it at your deceision, you will get much better feedback, I know its helped me.

Was it a MTT SnG???

Whoops yeah i'll do that next time. It was a 45 man SNG.

 

[cjatud2012]

imo you shouldn't raise 4bb pre-flop, almost 25% of your stack, if you plan on folding to a 3-bet.

 

[BEERM4N]

im leaning towards an open shove with 18BB. is this a turbo?

as played (4x) im calling all day.

If i was to open and fold to a 3bet i like around 300

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

BEERMAN and cjatud- I didn't open for 4BB, I raised up the limper as I add an extra BB for every limper. And also it's not a turbo so I definitely don't like shoving. I agree cja I think calling here is probably correct if I raised 25% of my stack.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Pretty sure that even if you put them on a range of JJ+,AQo+ it's still a call in a 45sng.
costs you 1,795 to call a pot of 2,995.. you're getting 1.688 to 1, needing 37.5%eq . vs. JJ-AQo+ you'd have 40%

Depends on other stuff though too (obv.).

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

Pretty sure that even if you put them on a range of JJ+,AQo+ it's still a call in a 45sng.
costs you 1,795 to call a pot of 2,995.. you're getting 1.688 to 1, needing 37.5%eq . vs. JJ-AQo+ you'd have 40%

Depends on other stuff though too (obv.).

How do you decide that stuff? I've always made my decisions based on general poker knowledge like hand ranges, and odds, along with the read, but never knew how to calculate exactly.. I'm sure there's threads about it but jw

 

[Jillychemung]

How do you decide that stuff? I've always made my decisions based on general poker knowledge like hand ranges, and odds, along with the read, but never knew how to calculate exactly.. I'm sure there's threads about it but jw

You use PokerStove or HERanger or any of these type of tools and plug various hands into them. After a while you just 'know' what your equity is for most situtations

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.777% 37.58% 00.20% 185311080 981594.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 62.223% 62.02% 00.20% 305869284 981594.00 { JJ+, AQo+ }

Hand 0: 43.445% 42.26% 01.19% 212738100 5970450.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 56.555% 55.37% 01.19% 278738376 5970450.00 { 88+, AJs+ }

 

[sweepnet]

It is still a 4xBB bet however you came up with the number. I think we had another thread going about bet sizes, but I usually drop the +limper as the blinds go up. You are commiting too much of your chips, IMO. I am still working on these questions myself whether to call here or not, but I am trying to lean towards folding. Seems like with too many flips on these low buyins I am out before getting to the end.

On a purely anedotal basis, my TT ran into AA 3 times yesterday, I began to dread seeing them.

 

[Poker Orifice]

It is still a 4xBB bet however you came up with the number. I think we had another thread going about bet sizes, but I usually drop the +limper as the blinds go up. You are commiting too much of your chips, IMO. I am still working on these questions myself whether to call here or not, but I am trying to lean towards folding. Seems like with too many flips on these low buyins I am out before getting to the end.

On a purely anedotal basis, my TT ran into AA 3 times yesterday, I began to dread seeing them.

Winnin' MTT's = winning flips (imo), especially when we're down at <30bb range.
Not adding +1bb per limper can run the risk of a multi-way pot... playing TT in a multi-way pot is really going to make postflop decisions alot more difficult.

 

[sweepnet]

Winnin' MTT's = winning flips (imo), especially when we're down at <30bb range.
Not adding +1bb per limper can run the risk of a multi-way pot... playing TT in a multi-way pot is really going to make postflop decisions alot more difficult.

Lot of contradictory opinions in this thread. We dont want to shove, but a raise of this size makes us pot committed, but we dont want to make a smaller raise.

If making this raise makes us pot committed, that would also mean anyone calling it would be pot committed, and so should shove if they are planning to call it. I would think then that we should beat them to it, by shoving ourselves first, or making a smaller raise, and walking if we dont like the flop. However many players that induces to call. If there are a lot of players it would make a big pot for little risk, and we fold if it is too wet.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Lot of contradictory opinions in this thread. We dont want to shove, but a raise of this size makes us pot committed, but we dont want to make a smaller raise.

If making this raise makes us pot committed, that would also mean anyone calling it would be pot committed, and so should shove if they are planning to call it. I would think then that we should beat them to it, by shoving ourselves first, or making a smaller raise, and walking if we dont like the flop. However many players that induces to call. If there are a lot of players it would make a big pot for little risk, and we fold if it is too wet.

Why have you quoted my comment.. & then followed it with this one ^ ??

 

[sweepnet]

Sorry, I started to write something else, then changed and forgot the qoute was on.

 

[Poker Orifice]

No prob,... I was wondering there cuz it didn't seem to make sense.