$1.10 NL HE MTT: BTN vs SB

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

1.10

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

SB stats after 35 hands: VPIP 40 PFR 3 Limp 47
This is a bounty tournament.

Do you guys think I can fold here? Is there a possibility that he can steal this pot?

pokerstars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (15 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 9,346 (93 bb)
UTG+1: 4,986 (50 bb)
MP: 5,657 (57 bb)
MP+1: 9,007 (90 bb)
CO: 3,502 (35 bb)
BU (Hero): 14,452 (145 bb)
SB: 1,942 (19 bb)
BB: 2,685 (27 bb)

Pre-Flop: (270) Hero is BTN with Q♣ J♥
5 players fold, Hero raises to 300, SB calls 250, BB calls 200

Flop: (1,020) A♣ 4♥ 3♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 683, SB raises to 1,366, BB folds, Hero raises to 2,049, SB calls 261 (all-in)

 

[dallam]

Seeing your latest hands, you seem to be catious about your range. But once you chose your hands and spots to go with, you will be very agressive, and without flop connection you 're not afraid to push your hand to the edge, and even put the all-in when you are having your chip difference or the statistics to strenghten you to do.

Here, the same mistake happens when you had your QQ when the flop was 52A in a 4-way party. Already an Ace on the board, two hearts, straights are tempting (22, 55).
So instead of seeing that this spot you own only the position and possibly no cards will help you out in the upcoming streets, you are leading this board with 67%. The position could let you to check this easily, and picking up the J, Q 10 on turn, unless this card you have is very bad now to even chase. Or if you wanna took the bluff here, max. 1/3 pot cause they ' re not only having small stacks, but could have the nuts to protect with a check-shove. To any 3bet from opp like here its a fold.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
You are deep yourself, but the effective stack size is only 27BB, and then a 3BB open is very large. Sometimes between a min-raise and 2,5BB is more "correct". Maybe not so important here, because you can afford to lose that extra bit of chips, and SB is probably not rejamming as wide, as a good player would. But still something to keep in mind, if you are trying to improve and move up.

Flop
Normally you are "allowed" to C-bet a lot of A high boards, but here I see a number of issues. The first one is, that the SPR is very low. Around 2,4 against BB, and less than 2 against SB. So you dont have a lot of room to maneuver here, and if one of them connected, they will likely just go with their hand rather than just call. The other problem is, that this is a very low buyin, and for that reason I would expect SB to call with a lot of bad AX hands, he should either have jammed or folded. And finally you have two opponents rather than one, which dubble the chance someone connected with the board and wont fold.

So my preferred play here is to check back and take a free card. And if I face a turn bet unimproved, I will just cut my losses and get out. My second favourite line would be to make a much smaller C-bet like 300-400 rather than almost 700. You are really just trying to fold out hands, that missed completely, and you dont need to bet almost 70% pot to acheive that. You do make a large bet though, and then SB essentially check-jam, although for whatever reason he is leaving himself 261 chips behind.

The ability to win his bounty does give you better pot odds, but you are crushed by any made hand, and you are even behind to some draws like KQ, KT or K9 of hearts. Calling an all-in is basically a math based decision, so lets pull out Equilab and see, how you do against some realistic ranges. If I give him A2-AJ, 33-44, 43s, 65s and any reasonable heartdraw, then you only have 10,3% equity. One might argue, that this is kind of a worst case scenario, since I gave him almost every single AX combo. But even if I take out A2o and A5o-A9o assuming, he either fold those pre or just check-call the flop, your equity only rises to 12,9%. So even without getting into calculating your actual pot odds including the bounty, this is not a good call.

 

[eetenor]

SB stats after 35 hands: VPIP 40 PFR 3 Limp 47
This is a bounty tournament.

Do you guys think I can fold here? Is there a possibility that he can steal this pot?

PokerStars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (15 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 9,346 (93 bb)
UTG+1: 4,986 (50 bb)
MP: 5,657 (57 bb)
MP+1: 9,007 (90 bb)
CO: 3,502 (35 bb)
BU (Hero): 14,452 (145 bb)
SB: 1,942 (19 bb)
BB: 2,685 (27 bb)

Pre-Flop: (270) Hero is BTN with Q♣ J♥
5 players fold, Hero raises to 300, SB calls 250, BB calls 200

Flop: (1,020) A♣ 4♥ 3♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 683, SB raises to 1,366, BB folds, Hero raises to 2,049, SB calls 261 (all-in)

Multiway pots we are only betting 40% of range- strong made hands and a few bluff to fold never semi bluff to call--- QJ is a check
This flop hits both the blinds ranges so we do not want to bet here. When SB check raises 23 is a made hand so even if that was all the SB had it was not a steal lol

 

[mariussica88]

Thank you all for the feedback. Here is the full hand.


PokerStars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (15 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 9,346 (93 bb)
UTG+1: 4,986 (50 bb)
MP: 5,657 (57 bb)
MP+1: 9,007 (90 bb)
CO: 3,502 (35 bb)
BU (Hero): 14,452 (145 bb)
SB: 1,942 (19 bb)
BB: 2,685 (27 bb)

Pre-Flop: (270) Hero is BTN with Q♣ J♥
5 players fold, Hero raises to 300, SB calls 250, BB calls 200

Flop: (1,020) A♣ 4♥ 3♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 683, SB raises to 1,366, BB folds, Hero raises to 2,049, SB calls 261 (all-in)

Turn: (4,274) 5♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (4,274) T♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 4,274

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows Q♣ J♥ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 66%, Flop: 28%, Turn: 18%, River: 0%)

SB shows 4♠ 7♣ (a pair of Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 72%, Turn: 82%, River: 100%)

SB wins 4,274

 

[eetenor]

As I said a weak pair is a made hand---this is just not a spot that we need to invest any chips post flop-
but if we do bet flop --------if you always use 33% or 25% multi-way when you want to bet you will be playing it near to perfect-
we should never bet with a minimum of 60% of our range on this board- QJ is part of that never range

Then if you did make a betting mistake you could easily fold to the XR rather than lose 13.5bb more
Compared to your stack 13.5bb is not large but getting to an FT and winning them a few bb's can make a huge difference by the time you get there. Therefore we do not want to be giving away 16bb at anytime in the tournament on a board you could have been drawing near to dead on in a multi-way pot where both V ranges hit the flop

 

[fundiver199]

Flop
Normally you are "allowed" to C-bet a lot of A high boards, but here I see a number of issues. The first one is, that the SPR is very low. Around 2,4 against BB, and less than 2 against SB. So you dont have a lot of room to maneuver here, and if one of them connected, they will likely just go with their hand rather than just call.

The fact, SB went with something as bad as 74, kind of highlight this point. When his range is this wide, there is more merit to C-betting the flop. But not with a big sizing. If he has a hand like 96 rather than 74, he is going to fold regardless of your sizing, and if you go small, there is actually a better chance, he just call with 74 rather than check-raise. This is, because when you go so big, calling the flop kind of commit him to the pot. If he call the 683, pot is going to be around 2.400, and he will only have around 1.000 left.

So you are essentially forcing him to make a decision for all his chips right there on the flop. If you bet 300 instead, he likely just check-call, and then you can check back turn and see all 5 cards without putting in more than those 300 chips. And then you can just give up on the river, when you fail to improve. This is not the kind of player, we want to be bluffing, and we knew this already from his preflop stats. Someone playing 40/3 is always a recreational player, and combined with the very low buyin, its not surpricing, that he wont fold, when he catch a small piece of the flop. Which is why, we can get a lot of value from this kind of player with our strong hands, but we cannot bluff them.

 

[zipocool]

SB stats after 35 hands: VPIP 40 PFR 3 Limp 47
This is a bounty tournament.

Do you guys think I can fold here? Is there a possibility that he can steal this pot?

PokerStars, $0.98 + $0.12 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (15 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 9,346 (93 bb)
UTG+1: 4,986 (50 bb)
MP: 5,657 (57 bb)
MP+1: 9,007 (90 bb)
CO: 3,502 (35 bb)
BU (Hero): 14,452 (145 bb)
SB: 1,942 (19 bb)
BB: 2,685 (27 bb)

Pre-Flop: (270) Hero is BTN with Q♣ J♥
5 players fold, Hero raises to 300, SB calls 250, BB calls 200

Flop: (1,020) A♣ 4♥ 3♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 683, SB raises to 1,366, BB folds, Hero raises to 2,049, SB calls 261 (all-in)

a common situation at these limits, by the way, you could refuse to c-bet on the flop, since A just suits his range, well, as we see here, he doesn’t fold his weak pair even to a 3-bet and is ready to go all in

 

[fundiver199]

he doesn’t fold his weak pair even to a 3-bet and is ready to go all in

Of course he dont fold to a 3-bet, when the pot is around 4.000, and its 261 more for him to call. When he raised, he had more than committed himself, and its probably just a misclick, that he did not push all-in himself.