$055 NLHE MTT Bounty: AA versus limpers: to shove or not to shove.... :D !

[mcgregor_415]

I would go with 4 BB. All in probably will not be called. Here the trick is that somebody could be with lower pair. He may call to see the flop for a set. This could be dangerous, but however you must find out from the way he is playing if he hit something on the flop. With so many lips there is a big chance that someone to put another 3BB to see the flop so you may get some value here. I would not recommend all in. Don't think that someone will call you in such early stage.

 

[joshua360]

AA may be the best starting hand, but any two cards can win at any time. You may be able to get some of the limpers to call you with a smaller raise, but then you also risk having someone suck out on you. I would personally rather take the chips on the table without seeing a flop. A flop only means you give who ever calls the chance to beat your aces. For me, it depends on the stack sizes at the table. Like any hand, i make my decision based on stack sizes and how likely players are willing to play mid level hands. I go all in more often then not with AA, that's just me though.

 

[SuzdalDEcor]

Nice all-in! This look like a bluff and some peoples want to call you with worst hand

 

[rushdaman]

I would have raised 4X the big blind and see what comes out on the flop. Nice hand by the way! I like the all in call as well, but would have rather raised 4x bb.

 

[atila1]

i would raise 2BB+1BB for each limper thats like 630, and think all in isnt that bad play cos of bounty

 

[rikoberto]

shoving is definately OK!Very very often in these stakes (even more because its bounty mtt)villains light call with small pocket pairs like 55-99,with suited aces like A9s+,and many with KQo and KQs,AJo+..i use to do this move also..but with a frequency,not always ofc

 

[mcgregor_415]

KO tournament - a shove with so many limpers. You don't need to give some flush/streight draws to the guys. There is always a chance to have someone with low pair, who also would like to try his "maybe" 50/50 chances against you. In such tournaments I saw a lot of giys to call with 9Ts.

 

[ziging]

KO tournament - a shove with so many limpers. You don't need to give some flush/streight draws to the guys. There is always a chance to have someone with low pair, who also would like to try his "maybe" 50/50 chances against you. In such tournaments I saw a lot of giys to call with 9Ts.

Yep, guys call with almost nothing and winn with two pairs. Veeeeery often.

 

[bumerangue]

I guess that a big 4bet would have almost the same effect, and if someone call you still have a big pot and a good hand too play in most flops, with the shove you will loose the value for AA in most tables

 

[AKbadboyAK]

Being mtt start on these bounty 0.55 I think it's a good idea to go all in pre flop against those limp was doing the same move without fear

 

[GiGiCat]

bet sizing

When there are limpers in front of Hero and Hero has pocket Aces, Kings or any time Hero wants to raise with limpers, a good rule of thumb is, 3 x BB plus one BB for every limper. so that would be BB X 7 or 630 chips. This makes the odds for any one to call not so good, and they'll need a strong hand to continue, getting out the speculative hands that could out draw you.

Is it wrong to shove pocket Aces in early stages of an MMT, I would have to say yes it is not a prudent play. Hero still has an M of 29 or 47.75 BB's. Hero may be a short stack relative to the other stacks but not according to the Blinds. The table looks loose and without taking a chance with Hero's tournament life, Hero could have seen a flop with a proper raise or still won a nice pot of 6+ BB uncontested.

Pocket Aces against a single opponent have great odds to win, like 80% give or take, or they win ~8 times out of 10. For every opponent more than one, Pocket Aces chances to win drop dramatically. If all players that limped decided to call Aces only win about 40% of the time, that's only 4 times out of 10. Against 10 players Pocket Aces only have about 30% chance to win or they win 3 times out of 10.

Regards,
GiGiCat

 

[GiGiCat]

I don't really see how I was "ripping" on your comments. I did not insult you, I gave a full explanation of why I felt each comment was incorrect with regards to the situation.

If you disagree with all of my comments I'd like it if you would explain why, this is a poker forum discussion and we are here to learn and exchange ideas.

Yes what she said!