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samsonand
Visionary
Silver Level
I agree
The truth if it would be more judo because that reason is the one that many online players lose interest in continuing to play for each moment would be a good thing to have the good opportunity to not have those huds.
The truth if it would be more judo because that reason is the one that many online players lose interest in continuing to play for each moment would be a good thing to have the good opportunity to not have those huds.
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Jedimindtryx
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Pppoker is played on phone and keeps track of vpip and cbet and things of that nature so fair for all
Mr_Hand
Rock Star
Silver Level
Fair just means everyone has the same opportunities. I’m this case, it is fair. Anyone can use those Huds on the sites that allow them. It would only be unfair if a select few got the advantage. I currently don’t use them. But that’s my choice. I shouldn’t try to get them taken away from someone else just because I choose not to use what’s available to me. I really don’t see the argument here.
xOneCoolHandx
Legend
Bronze Level
I think HUDs are bad for the game. A poker HUD poses the very real danger of preventing players from learning the essential skill of estimating hand ranges and interpreting decisions based on knowledge they gain themselves. There are most likely a ton of players out there that have never played online poker without using a HUD. This limits your growth and development as a player. Moreover, it takes away that need to constantly sharpen your game or develop your skill. People (including pros) become dependent on HUDs to determine their actions for them. Which leads me into my next point.
HUDs enable players to sit at 30, 40, 50 or more tables at a time. Taking away the true nature of poker and turning it into more of a lottery. There are videos of poker pros (some of them right here on CC) sitting at 40+ tables at a time. As they are running through taking action, you can tell that there is really no real thought involved. They have not taken the time, focus and patience to analyze their opponents and make a decision. Where is the skill in this?
Poker is a game of skill where you try to outthink, outwit and outmaneuver your opponents (and be lucky in spots). Poker HUDs take all of this away and in a way that could not happen in the real world. HUDs eliminate the need to take notes and watch the action at the table, because it is all done for you. I do not believe that you can truly call yourself a professional player if you rely on a HUD because there is not much "playing" involved.
Finally, I think that online poker should reflect real world poker as much as possible. In real life, you would not be able to use any similar application or device:
NRS 465.075 Use of device for calculating probabilities.
It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment to use, or possess with the intent to use, any device to assist:
You would also not be able to play at a bunch of tables all at the same time.
Maybe there needs to be an International Online Gaming Commission that sets rules and standards for play (even though I typically take a stance against such organizations in other situations).
I do not use a HUD. I prefer to sit at 1 table (although occasionally I will sit at 2) and watch and take notes on my opponents and their tendencies and use that to my advantage when opportunity arises. I also vary my game frequently to keep keep those who do use HUDs at a disadvantage. Maybe this makes me a "purist", I don't know.
HUDs enable players to sit at 30, 40, 50 or more tables at a time. Taking away the true nature of poker and turning it into more of a lottery. There are videos of poker pros (some of them right here on CC) sitting at 40+ tables at a time. As they are running through taking action, you can tell that there is really no real thought involved. They have not taken the time, focus and patience to analyze their opponents and make a decision. Where is the skill in this?
Poker is a game of skill where you try to outthink, outwit and outmaneuver your opponents (and be lucky in spots). Poker HUDs take all of this away and in a way that could not happen in the real world. HUDs eliminate the need to take notes and watch the action at the table, because it is all done for you. I do not believe that you can truly call yourself a professional player if you rely on a HUD because there is not much "playing" involved.
Finally, I think that online poker should reflect real world poker as much as possible. In real life, you would not be able to use any similar application or device:
NRS 465.075 Use of device for calculating probabilities.
It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment to use, or possess with the intent to use, any device to assist:
- In projecting the outcome of the game;
- In keeping track of the cards played;
- In analyzing the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game or;
- In analyzing the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game, except as permitted by the commission.
You would also not be able to play at a bunch of tables all at the same time.
Maybe there needs to be an International Online Gaming Commission that sets rules and standards for play (even though I typically take a stance against such organizations in other situations).
I do not use a HUD. I prefer to sit at 1 table (although occasionally I will sit at 2) and watch and take notes on my opponents and their tendencies and use that to my advantage when opportunity arises. I also vary my game frequently to keep keep those who do use HUDs at a disadvantage. Maybe this makes me a "purist", I don't know.
poker_bro
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't use any kind of HUD in my main poker site. Doping is not legal for sport, why HUD suppose to be in online poker?
If somebody wants to play in poker site that allows HUD's, that's fine. There are a lot of different options, and those options are full of fishes.
If somebody wants to play in poker site that allows HUD's, that's fine. There are a lot of different options, and those options are full of fishes.
dzemer
Rock Star
Silver Level
HUDs are for players who cant think by themselves.
I think, people who plays online poker with HUDs and wins or take high places in tournaments, cant do it in live poker and they will lose very fast because they will need to THINK.
I think, people who plays online poker with HUDs and wins or take high places in tournaments, cant do it in live poker and they will lose very fast because they will need to THINK.
takinitSLEAZEE
Legend
Loyaler
I've never worried about other players using a HUD. The way I see it if players want to use a tool to, supposedly, give them the "heads-up" on the people who are there to beat them then fine w/me. I'm not saying it's comparable to insider trading or something like that, I'm admitting that I welcome that kind of, so called, advantage. If you're a player worth a sh!t then it will not matter if someone does need this crutch. I'm sure I've out-played HUD users and will continue to do so. I've said it in this forum and at the table: I love adversity. The thrill of coming back to make the final table or win a tournament after being out-flopped or just plain donked down to a small stack is nearly immeasurable. The good players know who they are and I invite anyone w/a HUD to play me heads up or some "last longer" prop-bet... and as soon as I get my pooter up and running to tip-top shape I'll defend that request... lol. Enjoy the day fellow CC-ers. 
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Queenlimp
Rock Star
Silver Level
It's like a radar detector.
Everybody does not have one, but those who do can get a warning to slow down.
Interesting that they don't come by default in any manufactured car I know of.
Without HUD's, the playing field is definitely more equal by default. Practically speaking, anyone has the option to incorporate HUDs in their game, so equality is there. Should fish finders be prohibited because they potentially offer an advantage of helping fishers catch more fish than the person without one. If the market is favorable, there will/should be providers that offer a format without HUDs. I suppose Bovada is one. I personally do not prefer complete anonymity because I have no idea who I'm up against or even the tendencies of the table hoppers. I see this as a greater disadvantage than playing without a HUD.
Yet, they are available to anyone. Many providers offer 30 day trials for those of interest.
I suppose anyone can get a better insight of the advantage they offer by simply signing up for a trial. As with most live play and professionals, their HUDs are experience.
Most people would probably play Dwan different than Hellmuth; and a newbie different than someone with experience.
Everybody does not have one, but those who do can get a warning to slow down.
Interesting that they don't come by default in any manufactured car I know of.
Without HUD's, the playing field is definitely more equal by default. Practically speaking, anyone has the option to incorporate HUDs in their game, so equality is there. Should fish finders be prohibited because they potentially offer an advantage of helping fishers catch more fish than the person without one. If the market is favorable, there will/should be providers that offer a format without HUDs. I suppose Bovada is one. I personally do not prefer complete anonymity because I have no idea who I'm up against or even the tendencies of the table hoppers. I see this as a greater disadvantage than playing without a HUD.
Yet, they are available to anyone. Many providers offer 30 day trials for those of interest.
I suppose anyone can get a better insight of the advantage they offer by simply signing up for a trial. As with most live play and professionals, their HUDs are experience.
Most people would probably play Dwan different than Hellmuth; and a newbie different than someone with experience.
Inequitas
Legend
Silver Level
hello, you as well as akkari and other professional poker players also think online poker would be fair to both regular and recreational players without the Huds on the tables? I would like to have the opinion of everyone, because this was one of the most controversial subjects I have seen in the last few days..
I'd only ever used one when i learnt about them on CardsChat when i first started here... I used it for two months and acquired 82,313 players usernames, on three platforms pokerstars, 888poker and party poker...
I couldn't get used to it... the best i could make out while using it was who would be playing too many hands, who would attempt to steal the Blinds, who was over aggressive and who were much tighter players...
I stopped using it one day and found that I was playing much better without it...
Like subliminally my brain had picked up where the HUD left off...
literally i don't use a HUD now but without one to begin with i'd never of learnt alot of the terms VPIP, TAG, Lag, Leaks, Agg, WSMD, PFR, Steal, Wtsd, wsmf.....
If you don't know what all those terms are then you too should study a HUD it helps you learn what opponents strategies are in real time and gives you a better understanding of different aspects of poker that you've not realized before using a HUD...
It does improve your game even when you don't need one any more you'll still benefit having once used one...
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west28
Rock Star
Silver Level
it would be great and a better challenge game without any information been collected with a HUD. I personally don't use one. I would not want to get use to it, and then having not to use one if they are not allow in the future.
andosalado
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't agree with that. Why having a HUD will diminish your ability to think? A HUD is just information, how your process that information is thinking, they are two separate things.
belizebum
Legend
Loyaler
From Party Poker: “With this release, we will be making changes to our software that will prevent third-party tracking tools from working. We want our players to have a fresh start and therefore we are asking all players to select a new alias so that all third-party tool tracking is lost for all our players"
As of June 17th, no more HUD's. And someone said it would never happen. I say never say never. I suspect it wont be long for others to follow suit.
As of June 17th, no more HUD's. And someone said it would never happen. I say never say never. I suspect it wont be long for others to follow suit.
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Smokewood
Visionary
Silver Level
Except as a human you are not as good at seeing when this random guy on hand 345 called a 2bet out of position with A5 unsuited. However the HUD sees it and slaps a note in for you, so fatigue isn't an issue with the hud.
I use one because if I don't I am at a disadvantage to those who do.
I support a ban on all HUDs, but not hand histories.
andosalado
Rock Star
Silver Level
That's true, but it's like I'm saying...information. Doesn't mean you are not thinking when using a hud, it's not a bot that plays for you.
I use them for the same reason as you and, as I posted before, I believe it would be better if they don't exist. But I can't agree with the arrogant statement that people that are using huds don't think and will become fishes without them.
puzzlefish
student of the donk arts
Loyaler
Would be fairer if all poker sites that allow HUDs provided a competitive HUD for free for their clients.
Cajin007
Visionary
Silver Level
I am of the belief that all site should have a basic HUD integrated in their software, and users can ether choose to use it or not.
By banning HUDs, you force people to backdoor the use of them.
where there is a will, there is a way.
I don't use a HUD when playing, and I know people use them.
They are a double edged sword, what side of the blade or you on?
By banning HUDs, you force people to backdoor the use of them.
where there is a will, there is a way.
I don't use a HUD when playing, and I know people use them.
They are a double edged sword, what side of the blade or you on?
Inequitas
Legend
Silver Level
I've never won a Tournament with a HUD... I don't think it's a problem... I may complain and stamp my feet when I feel like their HUD is the only reason why!! But that not the case at all
We have the option to play or fold any time we want... no HUD can make your opponent put more chips into the pot... Its the same with money... HUDs are a good advantage but can't win the game for you...
We have the option to play or fold any time we want... no HUD can make your opponent put more chips into the pot... Its the same with money... HUDs are a good advantage but can't win the game for you...
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rafffinamore
Rock Star
Silver Level
Huds most of the time get in the way, get me the focus and confuse me or make things very complex. But I admire the players who can interpret so much information at the same time. Sometimes it seems like flying a large plane like these that has a very large amount of instruments. I'm not ready for this.