Self-exclusion means you banned for life???

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Back in my college years (5-6 years) i self excluded on the most popular online poker websites... main reason is because when i play poker i end up playing casino's.... I am not sure if the had a cool off period around that time where you can take breaks 1 week 2 week etc...

Now i am just wondering if i am banned for life or its still possible to re-open?? From where i live you can ban yourself indefinitely in land casinos but then you can still re-apply after 1-2 years.
 
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I think it depends. Did you sent emails to the poker rooms asking to be self excluded? Because sometimes poker rooms offers the option of cooling off period (like 1 week, month or year) and after the period you can comeback. If you asked to be excluded because of gambling problems, it’s more difficult to they allow you back to the games, but there are rooms that probably will let you play again, like partypoker. Other sites I think you need to sent them emails asking if you can play again.
 
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I think you would have to ask them. There is a chance they will not let you back on to these sites as they are supposed to protect people who ask to be stopped as I think there are fines for accidentally letting a self excluded gambler do some gambling.
 
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If you are a winning player and have net positive the sites will never remove your perma self exclusion from my experience, I perma self exclude to protest angle shoots multiple sites have done, and they will never ever reverse.

However when I was losing money learning the game, the sites would have no issue reverse self excluding me. I would ask to be excluded for your typical degen reasons, "site is rigged" (lol).

I literally think it goes to a department, and they look at if you're net positive or not, and then decide based off that the outcome.
 
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It is difficult to answer. I think different sites have a different position on your issue. I think it's best to ask questions directly to the representatives of the support service.
 
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Why would you self exclude? I had never heard of such a thing . . . If you don't want to play on the site, you just don't play on that site . . . If you don't have control of making such decisions on your own and being able to execute that decision on your own, perhaps the site should make the decision to ban you for your life.
 
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It depends on each of the site's policy.I mean , usually there is a period that you can select to self exclude.In my experience if you want to self exclude forever /permanently you need to request this specifically via email .Talk to the sites you want to play again , send them an email and tell them to reopen your account .Gl.
 
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Why would you self exclude? I had never heard of such a thing . . . If you don't want to play on the site, you just don't play on that site . . . If you don't have control of making such decisions on your own and being able to execute that decision on your own, perhaps the site should make the decision to ban you for your life.


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As far as I know, you can return to the game, but you have to talk hard with the poker room supports.
 
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My advice is make sure you talk to the specific site and get it in writing. Without doing this they might not let you withdraw, have seen it before. They will still accept your cash. Talk to the site, be smart.
 
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Why would you self exclude? I had never heard of such a thing . . . If you don't want to play on the site, you just don't play on that site . . . If you don't have control of making such decisions on your own and being able to execute that decision on your own, perhaps the site should make the decision to ban you for your life.
I think you missed the point or didnt read op, he specifically said why. It you never heard or such a thing its probably because your new. They allow you to self ban it your worried you have a gambling problem, make sense now? Site should ban for life part at end made no sense bro.
 
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I can site an example and you decide. I sent an email to pokerstars india to deactivate my account to prevent me from gambling. My account was automatically deleted and no exception to reinstate and no option to create a new one, which I did and after transferring funds they blocked that too at the time of withdrawal request.
 
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I think you missed the point or didnt read op, he specifically said why. It you never heard or such a thing its probably because your new. They allow you to self ban it your worried you have a gambling problem, make sense now? Site should ban for life part at end made no sense bro.

I did not miss the point . . . if you have a gambling problem you seek help and make that decision on your own, not expect a proprietor to make that decision for you. i.e. If you have a drinking problem you don't frequent bars . . . However, if you do use the option of having yourself excluded, it should be for life because we all know addictions are for a lifetime -- addictions are not like the flu, where you have the flu one day, and not the next.
 
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I did not miss the point . . . if you have a gambling problem you seek help and make that decision on your own, not expect a proprietor to make that decision for you. i.e. If you have a drinking problem you don't frequent bars . . . However, if you do use the option of having yourself excluded, it should be for life because we all know addictions are for a lifetime -- addictions are not like the flu, where you have the flu one day, and not the next.
You didnt answer him at all, you questioned what he wrote. You obviously missed the point. Gl reading the forums.:deal:
 
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I didn't "self-exclude" but did close my account on one site years ago. I recently asked them to reopen it which they did right away.
 
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If you are a winning player and have net positive the sites will never remove your perma self exclusion from my experience, I perma self exclude to protest angle shoots multiple sites have done, and they will never ever reverse.

However when I was losing money learning the game, the sites would have no issue reverse self excluding me. I would ask to be excluded for your typical degen reasons, "site is rigged" (lol).

I literally think it goes to a department, and they look at if you're net positive or not, and then decide based off that the outcome.
Totally disagree. I don't believe that the poker site cares who wins as long as they get their rake. the money has to go somewhere to someone so why should they care.
 
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Totally disagree. I don't believe that the poker site cares who wins as long as they get their rake. the money has to go somewhere to someone so why should they care.
They care a lot. For example, when a super solid regular sits down, fish tend to leave that table and try to find a different one.

The reason they do this, is because they are getting crushed, to such an extent, that they don't want to play anymore.

At this point, some of them maybe elect to change sites, some of them may decide to write to the operator or post on various websites, about how the cards are rigged.

Some might just stop playing and take a break. Maybe a kid gets so mad, that he starts spamming the N word in chat and the operator has to ban him from the site.

Anyways, all of these scenarios, are very unfavourable for the operator, and can be mitigated by trying to reduce the amount of winning players participating on any given site.

This is also why sites try many different things. GG Poker has straight up been caught banning winning players lol.

Some of those things would be,

-hiding names
-banning HUD's
-having a high rake and weak sauce rewards (888 Poker)
-making it against the rules to "bum hunt" (try to snipe weak players)
-preventing players from queing in a wait list
-PartyPoker even tried to have a MMR system (Match Making Rating)

These are all things, that Pokersites have chosen to do, just for the fact, of trying to bring in recreational players, while chasing away the good ones.

Then there are things I speculate on that aren't confirmed, such as...

-being denied a reverse self exclusion
-being denied promo's (I used to get 10% MINIMUM on any money I would put on literally any site if I opened chat support and asked, but ever since I started making withdraws and profit, I haven't got a bonus once.)

Anyways, the point is, YES they care A LOT lol.
 
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I think you need to contact support, describing the whole situation, only they can give you the right answer !!!
 
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Back in my college years (5-6 years) i self excluded on the most popular online poker websites... main reason is because when i play poker i end up playing casino's.... I am not sure if the had a cool off period around that time where you can take breaks 1 week 2 week etc...

Now i am just wondering if i am banned for life or its still possible to re-open?? From where i live you can ban yourself indefinitely in land casinos but then you can still re-apply after 1-2 years.
If a time frame was not clearly mentioned you are excluded for life from most sites.
If still excluded after 5 or 6 years you will still be after 50 or 60 years I reckon.
 
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They care a lot. For example, when a super solid regular sits down, fish tend to leave that table and try to find a different one.

Slightly off the original topic, but its the other way around. When a fish sits down, then all the regulars want to join that table, and when no more seats are available, a huge waiting list will be created. To beat the other regulars in getting a vacant seat to the left of the fish, seating scripts were created, which can react faster than any human.

When he was still with PokerStars, and before they banned seating scripts, DNEG has described, how he sat down at an empty high stakes table, and instantly the entire table was filled up with script users. When he then left, almost as instantly the entire table left as well, making the bum hunting so painfully obvious, that anyone would notice it.

And this did not happen only at high stakes. Even at a limit as low as 10NL people were using scripts and relentlessly bumhunting. I have seen 6-max tables on 888 Poker with 10-15 people on the waiting list. However when the "fish" left, other players starting leaving as well, and when the people on the waiting list were offered seats, nobody accepted them. So after a few minutes the table simply dissolved leaving me as the only player still left.

This was clearly not an enjoyable environment for recreational players, so to me its obvious, that poker sites needed to take steps to limit bumhunting in cash games, if these games were to have any chance to survive in the long run. And pracitically every site has done that now in one way or another.

I will also say, that while I fully support the right of people to make money from playing poker, if you are looking to make serious money from poker, and maybe even become a professional, you should probably forget about online cash games and focus on formats like MTTs or live cash games instead.

The reason for that is, that even with measures taken to limit bumhunting, online cash games is just not a particularly sustainable environment, and I dought, much if anything will be left of the high stakes scene 10 years from now. Other than the obvious issue with bumhunting there is a plethora of other issues as well including collusion, real time solvers and so on and so forth.
 
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Slightly off the original topic, but its the other way around. When a fish sits down, then all the regulars want to join that table, and when no more seats are available, a huge waiting list will be created. To beat the other regulars in getting a vacant seat to the left of the fish, seating scripts were created, which can react faster than any human.
I never said it was the other way around, you just randomly commented on my post, as you always do, nonsensical things, to try and prove that my post is wrong for whatever reason. But you just said another point validating my post.

It's very frustrating.

But anyways...

I was going to put that point in my OP too, but I decided it's to long. You need the fish, to attract the regs, but if the environment for the fish, becomes to hostile, they will leave, and then it's just regs. The regs will then leave, as they don't have any fish to feed off of, and then your poker site is a basically a bone yard.
 
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Back in my college years (5-6 years) i self excluded on the most popular online poker websites... main reason is because when i play poker i end up playing casino's.... I am not sure if the had a cool off period around that time where you can take breaks 1 week 2 week etc...

Now i am just wondering if i am banned for life or its still possible to re-open?? From where i live you can ban yourself indefinitely in land casinos but then you can still re-apply after 1-2 years.
Let us know what the poker room replies to you.
 
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When he was still with PokerStars, and before they banned seating scripts, DNEG has described, how he sat down at an empty high stakes table, and instantly the entire table was filled up with script users. When he then left, almost as instantly the entire table left as well, making the bum hunting so painfully obvious
Whats quite funny about this is apparently Negreanu was considered a fish/bum. LOL
 
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Whats quite funny about this is apparently Negreanu was considered a fish/bum. LOL

DNEG have actually lost money in online cash games, so if the programs looked at known results, this would explain it :)
 
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