Reported 2 players @ Full Tilt for collusion

[KevGuy]

thats sounds pretty bad. But can you be so sure that the guy new the other guy was sitting out? Maybe the guy the big stack that was reraising you had boss hands? I think you gotta give the guy benifit of the doubt. GL

 

[eNTy]

In my opinion Tilt will never reply to my mail.
It's pretty hard for them to investigate and prove this so they will most likely not bother with it..

Sad to say but I think that seems to be the way things are going down.

 

[azbo]

I really can't believe all the people replying to this thread who are saying that this is collusion just because of a couple of sarcastic remarks that the "villian" typed in the chatbox. Get a grip folks. Once it became clear that the OP was just trying to move up -- and to me this seemed clear once the OP kept folding the button every time he got re-raised -- "villian" did exactly the right thing. Why on earth would he not want to keep the sitter alive in that spot?

Sorry OP, you got outplayed big-time. You never should have let yourself get that short.

I would agree with this, and even if it is collusion it's still party to blame on the OP for letting it happen but at the end of the game when the villain said "there now you have some money" that is collusion. Aiding someone to do better in a tournament is collusion.

 

[Latvian Queen]

Ok, I went to the Official Poker Rankings - Poker Ratings, Poker Results and Statistics and found your tournament.

Then I proceeded to research to see if I can catch them both in the same tournament around the time period. Unfortunately I did not, however, seems to me both of them play lots of $3.30 knockouts with 90 people. I can not see the names of all 90 people as the website only show payout spots.
And i did not find them together at any SNG tables besides your together. Maybe it was a random charity, maybe it was a buddy, maybe it was a conspiracy or maybe he was just playing around at that point.
Good luck in the battle for the truth!

 

[E-Dub]

I would agree with this, and even if it is collusion it's still party to blame on the OP for letting it happen but at the end of the game when the villain said "there now you have some money" that is collusion. Aiding someone to do better in a tournament is collusion.

I took the "there now you have some money" comment as being directed at the OP, not the sitter. To me this seems a lot more likely given that the villian knew the sitter was sitting, and thus had no reason to believe the sitter would see the comment. Remember that the OP got paid too.

Lots of different ways to look at this situation. I just don't think it was collusion.

 

[acylysis]

sounds pretty fishy to me, good luck with all this

 

[eNTy]

I sent another email to them asking what's up.

If they're investigating, caught them, if they don't believe it was collusion or if they're just not bothering with an investigation..

I asked for a non-automated response and said I expected more from Tilt support. (which is of course a lie.)

Hope to hear back.

 

[uradonk406]

Im not so sure you could consider this collusion there is no gaurn... that they knew each other maybe the dude just didnt like your play and wanted to pee in your cheerios i say next time this happens play more agressive and beat the bully you prob.. had the best hand ev time

 

[thepokermonitor]

cheating is cheating...no matter how you spin it.

 

[wachinpntdry]

whether collusion or not why didn't you do an all in on a semi decent hand during the sit outs all in? then worst case scenario is you lose but get second place because the sit out was forced all in before you were.

^probably the best solution right there if you find yourself in this situation



whether on not it's collusion (between 2 people) really doesn't matter...anything a player does so as to help another place higher or make more money is cheating ...
that the sitter wasn't actively participating in it doesn't change the fact that the other player was engaging in unfair play, if as he said he "liked her" and was trying to help her place higher

it could also be, as some others here pointed out, that the bigstack was in fact just playing his position and chipstack and folding to the sitter was just his way of trying to bust the O.P. and get to heads up with a sit out....

though thats kind of an odd way to win...I think I'd rather get rid of the sitter and make the shortstack pay blinds every hand, rather than give free chips to sitter so I can pay SB and sitter pay BB with my chips and let the OP have a chance at stealing both with a good hand ???

another possibilty is what someone posted on the first page of comments...what if the sitter was the bigstack....same person ? that crap goes on alot more than anyone seems to want to admit

I'd say it was most likely either collusion between the two of them or at the very least the bigstack was dumping on sitter...either way it's cheating

 

[wachinpntdry]

It is collusion if he admits he helped move the person up in the standings. If you protect with the intent to aid another in any manner you're cheating.

:dito:

 

[ACardExpert]

WELL UR MISTAKE WAS LETTING THE BIG STACK CONTROL THE SHORT STACK I WOULD HAVE CALL THE SHORT STACKES BB EVERY TIME IF HE RAISES THEN THE SHORT STACK WOULD HAVE BLINDED OUT BUT BY U FOLDING AND ALLOWING THE BIG STACK TO CONTROL THE BOARD WAS UR MISTAKE YES IT WOULD OF COST U A FEW CHIPS BUT UR CONCERN WAS TO MOVE UP A SPOT JUST A SUGGESTION

 

[TheMountainBoy]

I especially love it when your playing the last couple of players at the table and they are both from some crazy place like The Former People's Republic of Moldovia! lol That's the best.

 

[PlayedYou73]

anytime i've complained...i get the standard 2 "form letter" emails from full tilt thanking me for bringing it to their attention and i can choose to disable the chat feature at any time....i doubt they do much unless a person threatened to go public...all the more reason for the UIGEA to be amended to make online gambling legal in the USA...and to force regulation on them for transparency

 

[pingeyemat]

You were just outplayed btw i cant believe u complained about this? what are they gonna do terminate their accounts? yea right there making money off these fools!

 

[beamon03]

i cant wait till here the end of this one

 

[eNTy]

i cant wait till here the end of this one

Doubt I'll ever get a proper response that is not automated and standard bs tbh..

 

[eNTy]

Finally here

Well the response finally came. And no matter the outcome I'm glad that I did get a response. It's good to know that they go to this kind of trouble to check collusion and they obviously do care.

This is the email I received today:

Hello Koen,

Thank you for your collusion report. Observant players such as yourself help us to keep our tables free of collusion.

We have completed our review of *Majestic83* and *xxdojaxx*, where we examined the following possible relationships between these two players:

* Geographical proximity
* Shared computers
* Player to player transfers
* Shared payment processors
* Frequency of play in the same cash games or tournaments

We thoroughly investigated the actions of these players and reviewed the hands played not only individually, but in the context of the entire tournament. Any suspicious hands were analyzed further to look for whipsawing, squeeze playing, soft playing, or questionable folding.

After reviewing the evidence, we were pleased to find that these players are not involved in any collusion or unfair play.

We appreciate your feedback, and if you see any other unusual behavior at our tables, please let us know and we'll happily look into it.

Regards,

Tom
Poker Specialist
full tilt poker Support

 

[eNTy]

BTW, anybody got any idea what 'Tom' means with 'wipsawing' ?
Some sort of play I imagine, but which one ?

 

[kass_i3]

a mild collusion for me... but still needed to be checked... small money involved.. and sit and go usually friends can play with together...

 

[Latvian Queen]

BTW, anybody got any idea what 'Tom' means with 'wipsawing' ?
Some sort of play I imagine, but which one ?

"To whipsaw" means to victimize, especially in gambling and negotiations. Basically cheat, ripoff, deprive somebody of something by deceit.

I'm happy to hear that the game was fare. I guess the big stack was just playing around.
Good luck!

 

[Genso Hikki]

BTW, anybody got any idea what 'Tom' means with 'wipsawing' ?
Some sort of play I imagine, but which one ?

Whipsawing is when two players collude by raising and reraising each other to trap players in between them.

 

[eNTy]

Whipsawing is when two players collude by raising and reraising each other to trap players in between them.

Seems elaborate and hard

 

[scragbag]

All the posters saying this was simply strategy? Seriously!! Take off the blinkers and give some sympathy for once in your life. This was collusion , down an down. Unlucky dude. But i do agree...maybe limping in when sit out was in BB would have been a delight because majestic would be putting his MSN girlfriend ALL IN. That's one way to ruin a relationship

 

[Inscore77]

Lol@this thread still being alive