Reported 2 players @ Full Tilt for collusion

[chipchart]

Then he replied: Majestic83: 'Because I like her you $^%^!'


After I finished third, the bigstack (majestic83) said to the sitout: 'Now you have some money.'

Umm....isn't it obvious he was just trying to get in her e-pants?

 

[eNTy]

whether collusion or not why didn't you do an all in on a semi decent hand during the sit outs all in? then worst case scenario is you lose but get second place because the sit out was forced all in before you were.

Because I didn't have a semi decent hand, and because I didn't know he was gonna be an asshole and fold his smallblind. It only happened once I think, that the smallblind was all in.

 

[azbo]

I wasn't really limping a lot, maybe once or twice, but that was just to show how he reacted to it. And of course I was playing to win but with the cards I was getting and the fact that normally when a sit out has ~400 left with blinds 240/120 or something it shouldn't take long for him to bust. I didn't figure out till after the fold to his all in blind that something fishy was going on..

By limp, I meant wait until someone was blinded out to commit to a pot, which is what you were trying to do. He applied a tactic, possibly knowing you would not risk your stack until the sitout was gone thus applying pressure on you preflop in that situation and assuming you would continue to back down until he sitout was blinded out. You created the opportunity for this tactic by trying to wait the sitout out.

 

[eNTy]

By limp, I meant wait until someone was blinded out to commit to a pot, which is what you were trying to do. He applied a tactic, possibly knowing you would not risk your stack until the sitout was gone thus applying pressure on you preflop in that situation and assuming you would continue to back down until he sitout was blinded out. You created the opportunity for this tactic by trying to wait the sitout out.

Like I said before in this thread, this is all possible and likely.
But then again, he didn't seem that smart of a player.

Not that it's impossible for someone to use this tactic, it did seem kind of beyond him, it was a $1 sng, and he just didn't strike me to pull off something that advanced ..

 

[Jabbie1]

its not collusion just because they know eachother, i play live every night and i know 90% of the players at the table does not mean its collusion.. just playing with friends

 

[pokerjes]

Because I didn't have a semi decent hand, and because I didn't know he was gonna be an asshole and fold his smallblind. It only happened once I think, that the smallblind was all in.

i think in a spot where the sitter was allin i would at least call to see a flop and if he (the ahole) would raise you will have the choice of calling (to possibly finnishing 2nd if you both lost)or folding but the short stack would be in the pot to possibly be knocked out in 3rd. anyhow with the sitter all in i would have called or pushed you couldnt have finnished any worse than you did. as for collusion it sounds like it, but i didnt watch the table so i couldnt answer that correctly for you. thats my .02 to your thread.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Big stack used perfect strategy against you. Nothing you can do about it. If I was in his shoes, i'd do exactly the same. Actually, I did a few times in SNGs. Including one time where there was a player sitting out on the bubble and he ended up placing 2nd thanks to my bullying the table into submission.

A player sitting out is the big stack bully's best weapon against the other players. It makes a hell of a lot of sense for him to keep him alive.

 

[Zorba]

Plus Inscore77 was whispering to fold everything until 2nd place was cashed .

You should have been playing your own game not listening to outside influences, even if inscore is a good player. This could be considered cheating also. How would you like it if you found out the Daniel Negranu was telling the Asshole to do what he was doing.
One hand one mind.

 

[RoyalNutts840]

people can do this a lot, via instant messenger or using wifi and broadband, so they coulda been the same person, just using multiple ip addys to not get caught. people are scum bags and dont put anything past anyone for what they would do for a few bucks the a holes lol.

 

[azbo]

its not collusion just because they know eachother, i play live every night and i know 90% of the players at the table does not mean its collusion.. just playing with friends

It is collusion if he admits he helped move the person up in the standings. If you protect with the intent to aid another in any manner you're cheating.

 

[eNTy]

You should have been playing your own game not listening to outside influences, even if inscore is a good player. This could be considered cheating also. How would you like it if you found out the Daniel Negranu was telling the Asshole to do what he was doing.
One hand one mind.

That's true.

 

[braveboat]

Looking forward to an update...

 

[katymaty]

I don't see it as collusion. I've done the same before in a forum game, top 2 get paid with 3 left and one sitout.

The other player was obviously waiting to cash so I was raising everything to lower their stack when it got heads up and when the sitout was virtually all in I folded to them to keep them in the game.

Eventually the player got too low and had to push and I took him out. They called me every name under the sun as they obviouslt didnt understand the situation.

 

[azbo]

on the other hand this tactic could blow up in your face if you reraise the second stack and he winds up doubling through you. He might even become the chip leader and put this pressure back on you.

 

[kidkvno1]

I have my thought's on this but will not put them up... But will say i have seen it on UB in a play money game they even had there own code to do this, I went to UBs live support and told them about it and i have not seen them two back on since that time....

I would take out the sit out and play head to head with the last guy/gal, it would only make it fair to me and the one who is not siting out!!!!

 

[bardy]

Weird i say, sitting out when you have paid to play, yes 2 accts possible but nowadays everyone seems to have more than one acct on tilt, well i hope the players involved get what they deserve

 

[godoy]

what is exactly collusion?
somebody that enter in a table with a friend, or somebody that enter with 2 accounts?

 

[kidkvno1]

I think it is better to report it then to let it go, if the report is right they get banned for there cheating, and if not they still play...
It is best to report something that does not look right... I will tell you i have reported some players for something that does not look right and UB came back and told me i was right or told me i was wrong... It is the small stuff you need to look for. some use a code with @@ = AA i seen it in a game last night...

 

[bardy]

seems more likely to be collusion...there should never be a sitter in a cash sit n go this was not a freeroll

 

[flyace]

sounds like they may have been playing together, but did you and bigstack ever have any words back and forth to rile him up any?

yea but could have been sitting out if they were off line sometimes you dont know......

 

[jaxplayer]

I do recognize the name majestic83 and will watch for this. Thanks for letting us know and please post what FT has to say about this.

 

[Team_Ramrod]

Soudns like he was definitely trying to help out the sit out player. Why else would he say, "there, now you have some money" ? What a douchebag, i hope FT will be on your side in this matter. GL

 

[eNTy]

sounds like they may have been playing together, but did you and bigstack ever have any words back and forth to rile him up any?

Nope never said anything to him, only the observer when he said: 'why didn't u call that ?'

 

[Genso Hikki]

I don't see it as collusion. I've done the same before in a forum game, top 2 get paid with 3 left and one sitout.

The other player was obviously waiting to cash so I was raising everything to lower their stack when it got heads up and when the sitout was virtually all in I folded to them to keep them in the game.

Eventually the player got too low and had to push and I took him out. They called me every name under the sun as they obviouslt didnt understand the situation.

This may very well have been the big stack's way of thinking. He may have wanted to get heads up with a sit out rather than with a player -v easier to take first place money that way.

 

[E-Dub]

I really can't believe all the people replying to this thread who are saying that this is collusion just because of a couple of sarcastic remarks that the "villian" typed in the chatbox. Get a grip folks. Once it became clear that the OP was just trying to move up -- and to me this seemed clear once the OP kept folding the button every time he got re-raised -- "villian" did exactly the right thing. Why on earth would he not want to keep the sitter alive in that spot?

Sorry OP, you got outplayed big-time. You never should have let yourself get that short.