PupsikCat
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Unfortunately, we will never know the truth about RNG at pokerstars!
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Obviously he crushes live poker.This whole thread is a joke right? Maybe intended to increase your post count to earn platinum status? Although its not exactly "quality posts", so that might not work. For anyone taking this remotely serious, please take a moment to check out OPs Sharkscope profile on PokerStars (username found in CC profile).
SharkScope - Online and Live Poker Statistics
Track your poker statistics and avoid the sharks. SharkScope is the most complete database of poker tournament results available and covers virtually all online poker sites.www.sharkscope.com
OP started playing on PokerStars around 3 weeks ago. He has since then played 335 games for an average buyin of $0,09 playing mainly freerolls and hyperturbo satellites. So yeah. Clearly someone, who has a lot of experience, and whos opinion should carry a lot of weight
Gallarado777
Legend
Loyaler
I think it depends on every day of the week of the month when you are unlucky, the game will seem that poker sites are doing everything to make you lose or when you are doing well you won't notice it, but every day even professional players don't win means how many poker players win and lose a day, that is, you will rarely get into prizes, which is why only patient players win this game
TeUnit
Legend
Loyaler
If you think its rigged, just ask them what it takes to get on the winning poker player list.
If they wont let you be on the winning poker player list just quit poker.
Why would you keep playing if you thought it was rigged?
That is almost as silly as saying its rigged with no factual evidence.
If they wont let you be on the winning poker player list just quit poker.
Why would you keep playing if you thought it was rigged?
That is almost as silly as saying its rigged with no factual evidence.
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
Since he already mentioned phil hellmuth as his hero (who could probably not even beat cardschat freerolls online) i think its safe to say that OP is from a live background.
And as many sharp live players before him who jumped into online, he instantly sensed that something fishy is going on online. Rigged rng, bots etc. because compared to live, he could not win online which is weird because live he was crushing (playing mostly against people who dont even know how much is in the pot and think its a bad beat if they loose aq to ak etc blablabla).
Gotta respect these live players coming online with all their experience and reads...they definitely know whats up. they can actually dodge bullets baby!
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Aballinamion
Sleeping with the Dark Lady of the Sith
Loyaler
It’s a pity that poker rooms won’t sue these guys for the amount of nonsense things they say.
You are publicly accusing a major and respected corporation of lying without any solid evidence.
But as Fundiver had said, you started playing two weeks ago and you know nothing about poker.
If you don’t believe in god why do you go to the church?
If you don’t believe in poker why do you play? Nobody is forcing you to play it! If you think Poker is rigged go play chess, snooker, candy crush, go be happy and live us for good!
Your presence is not appreciated here on our church: on this church we believe in Poker. We believe poker isn’t rigged at all! Get lost and go find your own league and place in the world.
Observe that there is no proof or evidence that online poker is rigged. But there is a clear evidence of you accusing a major Poker room of lying: you are producing evidence against yourself and you can answer it by the terms of the law, silly rabbit!
I think all rigged threads should be deleted with not further notice or explanation.
You are publicly accusing a major and respected corporation of lying without any solid evidence.
But as Fundiver had said, you started playing two weeks ago and you know nothing about poker.
If you don’t believe in god why do you go to the church?
If you don’t believe in poker why do you play? Nobody is forcing you to play it! If you think Poker is rigged go play chess, snooker, candy crush, go be happy and live us for good!
Your presence is not appreciated here on our church: on this church we believe in Poker. We believe poker isn’t rigged at all! Get lost and go find your own league and place in the world.
Observe that there is no proof or evidence that online poker is rigged. But there is a clear evidence of you accusing a major Poker room of lying: you are producing evidence against yourself and you can answer it by the terms of the law, silly rabbit!
I think all rigged threads should be deleted with not further notice or explanation.
Pokerpoet2
Legend
Loyaler
I am not pointing any Fingers or naming names, but at the End of the day, If you are losing money playing Poker maybe it's time to try some other way of making money. There is an old Adage that says "A bad Workman always blames his Tools!" and it has never been more true, than it is when playing Poker,
A bad player will blame the Dealer, The Cards! even the poker site as being "Rigged or Crooked" everyone and anyone but Themselves.
Accept Responsibility for your own actions, you are the person clicking on all the buttons, If you make a bad decision then own It,
Sure I have suffered from Bad-Beats and Suck-Outs from better Players, But I accept it was my own fault, I made the wrong move at the wrong time and paid the penalty for it. Only the other day I Shoved all-in with Pocket 10s and beat a player with A/K, Then a couple of Minutes later I called a Player who shoved all-in with Pocket 10s and I beat him with A/K. What goes around, comes around, It happens!
I still lost the Tournament, nothing Rigged or Crooked going on, It is what it is,
That's Poker!
A bad player will blame the Dealer, The Cards! even the poker site as being "Rigged or Crooked" everyone and anyone but Themselves.
Accept Responsibility for your own actions, you are the person clicking on all the buttons, If you make a bad decision then own It,
Sure I have suffered from Bad-Beats and Suck-Outs from better Players, But I accept it was my own fault, I made the wrong move at the wrong time and paid the penalty for it. Only the other day I Shoved all-in with Pocket 10s and beat a player with A/K, Then a couple of Minutes later I called a Player who shoved all-in with Pocket 10s and I beat him with A/K. What goes around, comes around, It happens!
I still lost the Tournament, nothing Rigged or Crooked going on, It is what it is,
That's Poker!
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DColate
Rising Star
Bronze Level
puzzlefish
student of the donk arts
Loyaler
The top player on the sharkscope leaderboards has averaged $2 of profit per game played. Many others top players are at $1 or lower. Let that sink in, in terms of what kind of game you are playing.
aurora1207
Rock Star
Bronze Level
It is true that sometimes when you play on Pokerstars you have the impression that it is rigged, but not only on Pokerstars but on all the rooms.
Personally I don't think it's faked but I think it's bad luck and selective memory that makes us think like that.
Personally I don't think it's faked but I think it's bad luck and selective memory that makes us think like that.
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mclay
Visionary
Platinum Level
And those who win tournaments think that it is twisted in their direction.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Or merged into the rigged megathread. I guess, this is, what it was created for?
That is for the SnG leaderboard though. For MTTs the upside potential is significantly larger. But those topping the leaderboard a single year will also tend to be some, who ran hot and binked a big score. The Sharkscope leaderboards, which is a brand new feature, are definitely usefull and worth spending some time to study. The guy topping the SnG leaderboard for 2023 is a heads-up player on PokerStars. And unless you hate money, you probably want to stay out of his way
Barbeit0
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Yeah, maybe some people cant believe this, but the action in pokerstars is ridiculous, encourage you to bet with strong hands against unbeatable hands, or you loose proflop againts a magical straight or color.
puzzlefish
student of the donk arts
Loyaler
I would love to see the average of the top MTT players as well. I have a feeling it isn't much better - on average - over their entire playing history, unless like you say someone binked a few big ones early on, which wouldn't be much different from being a lottery winner.That is for the SnG leaderboard though. For MTTs the upside potential is significantly larger. But those topping the leaderboard a single year will also tend to be some, who ran hot and binked a big score. The Sharkscope leaderboards, which is a brand new feature, are definitely usefull and worth spending some time to study. The guy topping the SnG leaderboard for 2023 is a heads-up player on PokerStars. And unless you hate money, you probably want to stay out of his way
I took a look at a few of the top MTT players and their averages are about $20-55 per game. Let's say a game is 5 hours on average (probably being very conservative), which would put their hourly income at $4-11/hour.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
The average duration someone spends in an MTT is much less than the time, it lasts. After two hours at least half the field is gone, so even if the tournament lasts for 11 hours (like some of the biggest events), the average time spend by a player is much less than that. And in top of that all winning online players multitable. So those $4-11/hour are more like $40-110/hour, if they play an average of 10 tables. Which again is pretty realistic for the top players.
This is not to say, that online poker is a "get rich quick scheeme", because its anything but that. But there are still some full time professional players, who make a decent income from it. The player topping the SnG leaderboard for 2023 has won almost $30.000 in less than 6 month, which equates to around $5.000 per month. If you are a talented person living in a western country, there are other career choises, where you can make more than that. But its more, than you earn working an unskilled job, and in many low or middle income countries its a way above average income.
puzzlefish
student of the donk arts
Loyaler
Would love to see actual numbers to back this up - how many tournaments are played together at a time with multitasking on average, how many hours are actually spent on average, etc. - to see where the actual hourly rate is. Winning players range from barely winning to the very top, and I was cherry picking literally the top of the top when I looked.
PrivateB
Rising Star
Bronze Level
All online poker sites are rigged in some way or another, what's funny are the people that actually try and tell us that a computer program can't be manipulated haha those players are part of the problem, watch out.