Pokerstars Not Taking Action Against Poland Collusion/Softplayers
wildyetty
Legend
Silver Level
lol dude you need to get away from poker for a bit and get out of the house,(too much time in your head!) as well stop reading conspiracy theories. You cannot blanket an entire country based on speculation. You sound like Trump! get away from your computer read some books and learn how to combat these situations rather than think we are all out to get you... Well I am 
good luck
good luck
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Ha ha... Nice!
Would like to see a title change on this thread.... Dondreww Trump wants to build a wall around Poland cuz they're too good at the pokerzz on pokerstars
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level
To anyone that even try to defend poland players, do you play this format? Ask players that play the format and they will notice.
Look at all those hand histories and its hard to defend them.
Also to those of you that say they are softplaying, there is one major poland account that got banned and is no longer welcome to play on stars. So what do you have to say about that then? Anyone that plays this format is well aware of them softplaying.
Look at all those hand histories and its hard to defend them.
Also to those of you that say they are softplaying, there is one major poland account that got banned and is no longer welcome to play on stars. So what do you have to say about that then? Anyone that plays this format is well aware of them softplaying.
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I have only skimmed over most of this thread and tbh you probably have a case but you can't just start tagging all Polish players as being in collusion as where does it end, Russian and Chinese players got caught doing this also a while back but i wouldn't tag all Russian/Chinese players sitting at a table. There is good and bad in all Nationalities and i stay in UK and i know many Polish people who are good honest ppl. If you could narrow down your players and names it may help highlight this some more if there is certain Polish players doing this because if there is so many Polish players doing this that you feel you have to watch them all then surely PS would have to act as that's what happened when the Chinese players where colluding, PS started to not allow Chinse players at same tables in mid stakes SNG's games i'm sure because of it. I'm not doubting this is happening with some of the players you mentioned and i hope you get this resolved, i will have a look at more of the hands in next few Days and look out for some players you mentioned in the hands seineg as they're still playing, gl in getting to the bottom of this.
thats the point. Most of the players who softplay all this exact format. That is the issue here. There are of course some poland players that play fair but the majority of them do not and help one another when they can.
Look at the satellites. They either all play or almost none play. A very reputable poster on another forum confirmed this as well.
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Even though you are not in poland anymore, obviously you will still defend your poland comrades. when people look through the hand histories, its obvious what is going on. Lot of players i spoke to already agree on this issue. Thats why many players are aware of these poland players at the table now.
Anyone that looks through this cannot even back you guys up at all. Now if you dont play these formats, obviously you wouldnt have a clue about this.
Also you guys sure dont like these being posted on the forum eh? Makes poles look bad huh? Well you guys obviously dont like the truth when others take notice of it.
Anyone that looks through this cannot even back you guys up at all. Now if you dont play these formats, obviously you wouldnt have a clue about this.
Also you guys sure dont like these being posted on the forum eh? Makes poles look bad huh? Well you guys obviously dont like the truth when others take notice of it.
Zorba
27
Platinum Level
dondrewww said:
TL;DR.
I got to here and realised you are being racist, you are tarring all the Polish players with the same brush.
What makes you an expert on collusion that knows more than the Stars Security Team do, have you got more information to make that decision than the Stars security team has.
If you think it is collusion and Stars is doing nothing then stop playing there, is as simple as that, no one wants to hear unsubstantiated personal thoughts about a reputable poker site, the Stars security team does great work looking out for all players.
Just because you don't agree with their decision after their investigation, doesn't mean they are doing nothing.
Whats next, if you see 2 players from Antarctica will that mean they are colluding, also what proof do you have that the Polish players are using Skype, is it again the proof that you think so, so it must be right.
Good Luck.
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Yes the way i phrase it sounds like racist. The issue is what do you want me to say? Those poland players etc? Whether they are from any country, i will say it like it is.
First off, do you even play these formats? If you played these formats, you would agree with me. I spoke to countless players on this. Majority of them agree those poland players are cheating and stars isn't doing anything. You want them to come into this thread and give out their thoughts. They all told me via pm they agree with me. One very respected user on 2p2 told me he believes everything i say because he noticed the same thing with lithianians at these satellites. Basically raising and reraising their fellow countrymans big blind etc.
Yes they do speak via skype but obviously not when they are playing. That is way too hard for them since they play lot of tables and chat via skype. They basically already have their strategy set already. One of the main poland accts got banned and acct confiscated. And what did stars say about that account? They wouldnt address the reason because if they said what it was, then its going to be hard for them to explain everything else. You have 2 poland players creating 2p2 acct same day, posting right after one another... in the same exact format right after each other in the same thread. You dont think these 2 guys know one another? Its on skype.
Stars has a broken collusion system and many players are aware of this. The poland players get it all in for 5bb against one another... stars will say because of that 5bb all in, they going to ignore everything else pretty much.
Look through all those hand histories, then comment. Its going to be hard for you to defend any of them. The main acct that got banned and no longer welcomed on stars got what he deserved.
First off, do you even play these formats? If you played these formats, you would agree with me. I spoke to countless players on this. Majority of them agree those poland players are cheating and stars isn't doing anything. You want them to come into this thread and give out their thoughts. They all told me via pm they agree with me. One very respected user on 2p2 told me he believes everything i say because he noticed the same thing with lithianians at these satellites. Basically raising and reraising their fellow countrymans big blind etc.
Yes they do speak via skype but obviously not when they are playing. That is way too hard for them since they play lot of tables and chat via skype. They basically already have their strategy set already. One of the main poland accts got banned and acct confiscated. And what did stars say about that account? They wouldnt address the reason because if they said what it was, then its going to be hard for them to explain everything else. You have 2 poland players creating 2p2 acct same day, posting right after one another... in the same exact format right after each other in the same thread. You dont think these 2 guys know one another? Its on skype.
Stars has a broken collusion system and many players are aware of this. The poland players get it all in for 5bb against one another... stars will say because of that 5bb all in, they going to ignore everything else pretty much.
Look through all those hand histories, then comment. Its going to be hard for you to defend any of them. The main acct that got banned and no longer welcomed on stars got what he deserved.
MsNutHand
Rock Star
Silver Level
I knew that Chinese players used this bad scheme but the Poland players doing that too is something new for me. Rarely I find Poland players in my tables and very few times 2 Poland players in the same table so I could not notice that situation but I will pay more attention on it.
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level
What format do you play? The poland players do this at 180 mans and satellites. If you play any other format, you wont notice poland players there because its not profitable for them to do this.
Basically if you see any poland players at the table, put a color on them so you know how many of them there are at the table. They will always protect one another.
Basically if you see any poland players at the table, put a color on them so you know how many of them there are at the table. They will always protect one another.
Zorba
27
Platinum Level
Were you informed that the player got banned, you are still assuming they use skype, They may be, but do you have proof, anyone can say anything about another player, but without any way of confirming it, it is just an assumption on your part, What about all the Russian players that play crazy, or the Brazilian players that don't make sense the way they play, then the Chinese. How can we tell if anyone is using skype, I would like it if Stars had a way of detecting skype and make it a program you can't have running at the same time like they do with some other software, but all that would do is make the colluders just use their telephones, or chat through facebook chat, or the many other ways that they can communicate with each other, it's possible that they may be in the same room as each other accessing the internet from different ISP's.
We can keep going through a lot more nations that have crazy players, Stars has a good reputation when it comes to weeding out collusion, I don't need to defend any hands, I actually have faith that the Stars security team take collusion seriously and do an investigation each time things are reported.
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dino
10 cevapcici = 0 stress
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I am all for free speech, and especially on the internet.
You can say whatever you want to.
You can have your theories, but IMHO is not right to blame all of them if you suspect that all of them are doing same.
If you experience something strange, and if you see the pattern, then I would agree with you, it some kind of collusion running.
But, how the hell do you know if they're using skype???
May be they're using wzzupp, viber, gtalks, etc...
you get my point??
Did you monitor their play, and watch their screens??
If you did, post some screenshots how you can prove they are playing together/colluding and send to the PS, they would be more than happy to block their accounts and size their money.
Just my $.02
You can say whatever you want to.
You can have your theories, but IMHO is not right to blame all of them if you suspect that all of them are doing same.
If you experience something strange, and if you see the pattern, then I would agree with you, it some kind of collusion running.
But, how the hell do you know if they're using skype???
May be they're using wzzupp, viber, gtalks, etc...
you get my point??
Did you monitor their play, and watch their screens??
If you did, post some screenshots how you can prove they are playing together/colluding and send to the PS, they would be more than happy to block their accounts and size their money.
Just my $.02
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Head of security of pokerstars told me one of their main accounts got banned and balance confiscated.
Guys, look at those hand histories. Ask anyone that plays this format regularly and they will agree their is cheating going on.
I have something else that i will post but not yet. This is going to get very good.
Guys, look at those hand histories. Ask anyone that plays this format regularly and they will agree their is cheating going on.
I have something else that i will post but not yet. This is going to get very good.
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DrakeM
Enthusiast
Silver Level
dino i dont think the problem is what chat or voice program theyre using, dont be ridiculous. Who cares which program it is? There are hundreds and thousands out there.
The amount of information you can get as opponent is limited, the monitoring of their play is limited and i dont think we need to talk about watching their screens.
People see suspicious patterns again and again. Only PokerStars themselves can investigate further on this and apparently they did.
The amount of information you can get as opponent is limited, the monitoring of their play is limited and i dont think we need to talk about watching their screens.
People see suspicious patterns again and again. Only PokerStars themselves can investigate further on this and apparently they did.
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skaterick
Legend
Loyaler
In the US , people see conspiracies everywhere (false birth histories , voting fraud , religious double agents ,political murders etc etc ) . Almost all are clearly incorrect . Please offer some solid evidence if you want clear headed folks to believe you .
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
One player from Poland gets banned on Stars (& you have no clue why) so that means all players from Poland are cheating on Stars??
You come across as a huge bug
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
more b.s.! Why wouldn't you post it 'yet'?
And more delusional thinking. I'm guessing it isn't 'getting very good' now?
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Your thread on 2p2 was closed last March!! And then you come here 9mos. later & still on about it. I actually just read thru some of that thread on 2p2 & anytime a poster made comments to you, you weren't able to answer. Also, saw at least 1 player who you'd made false accusations against.
I vote this thread be closed.
I vote this thread be closed.
coloradosc
Visionary
Silver Level
I think that you're only right at the first thread post where you point very similar nicknames playing the same tournaments... the rest of it nothing more than theories...
By the way I liked the Zorba's point about brazilians! I'm a little bit crazy too! LoL
By the way I liked the Zorba's point about brazilians! I'm a little bit crazy too! LoL
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level
You want to know something else. There has been more than one player from poland that has been banned.
Look at the 2p2 forum in the mtt pokerstars thread. Many players Private messaged me back on this and agreed with everything i said. And by that... i mean the players that actually play the format. Also are you aware that many ppl who say there is no cheating... apparently a lot of these accounts are actually poland players who pretend to be not polish. A fellow 2p2 member just told me this.
Did you even look at the hand histories? Anyone with common sense knows whats going on. Go check the 2p2 forum on the thread and players who play this format comment on it. I can post the PMs from many players.
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Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Another player from Poland was banned since you started your thread. So that's like one more in the past 9mos.,.... amazing! Gosh, 2 out of thousands.... those Polish players are all cheating! lol
Why did they lock that thread 9 months ago????? And no, I didn't bother to read any of the hand histories. Reason being, the parts I did read (including your thread on 2p2) has you looking very delusional.
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dondrewww
Enthusiast
Silver Level