Poker Stars just does not want to you win.

[adrianame94]

Poker Stars cheats

I am a strong poker player and poker stars is crooked as can be. I won FIRST place and Second place in tournaments with over 400 people each and I often get to the money.
Like the cash games however, once they see you are a winning player then you will feel like you are playing 3 6 limit.
I played over a half million hands with no heaters in a 6 month period. Was multi tabling of course.
If you think we are all just fish complaining then YOU just try to make some money on Stars and good luck. Unless you get a big tournament win there is no other way. The cash games are a joke and the tournaments are playing different now that I got a 2nd and first place win. I understand variance and bad beats are part of the game, but what happens on Poker Stars is clearly skullduggery.
I am very smart and far superior at games than most people. My USCF Chess Rating is very high and you can see my lightning chess rating is over 2300 !! Poker Stars is a set up to play like a slot machine and it is a real shame that they get away with this. Part of the problem is a lot of bad players complain and they discredit the complaints from good players who understand something is not right. Here is a link to one of my chess profiles, you can see my rating is over 2300 !! That is a very high lightning chess rating. My standard ratings are just as high. https://chess24.com/en/profile/suepokerstars

 

[jimmiandersen]

That is actually a goal that they have. No winning players long term. Someone was apparently told that, I think at a job interview. pokerstars is just meant to be a casino now. Not a skill game where you can win. Maybe try partypoker with a good rakeback. **** Amaya!

 

[Joe]

Old thread and subject, but...

If you had a casino-type online platform and analysed your users' gambling tendencies, can you not see any possible long term financial benefits to skewing wins towards more reckless, less astute punters and away from risk averse, more wily ones? Towards ones who lose money and away from one who win? :biggrin:

Is there any way we can simultaneously speed up the process? :flute:

:laugh:

~EDiT:- If the process has adjustable operational intensity (preferably with automatic and manual controls) then, we're in business! :beer:

 

[fundiver199]

I am a strong poker player and Poker Stars is crooked as can be. I won FIRST place and Second place in tournaments with over 400 people each and I often get to the money.
Like the cash games however, once they see you are a winning player then you will feel like you are playing 3 6 limit.
I played over a half million hands with no heaters in a 6 month period. Was multi tabling of course.
If you think we are all just fish complaining then YOU just try to make some money on Stars and good luck. Unless you get a big tournament win there is no other way. The cash games are a joke and the tournaments are playing different now that I got a 2nd and first place win. I understand variance and bad beats are part of the game, but what happens on Poker Stars is clearly skullduggery.
I am very smart and far superior at games than most people. My USCF Chess Rating is very high and you can see my lightning chess rating is over 2300 !! Poker Stars is a set up to play like a slot machine and it is a real shame that they get away with this. Part of the problem is a lot of bad players complain and they discredit the complaints from good players who understand something is not right. Here is a link to one of my chess profiles, you can see my rating is over 2300 !! That is a very high lightning chess rating. My standard ratings are just as high. https://chess24.com/en/profile/suepokerstars

This is just a pile on nonsense. Micro stakes cash games on PokerStars are fairly easy to beat. I have done so myself over 340k hands. From 25NL and up its gets more difficult, but this is not, because the site is rigged, its because there are less and less bad players, the higher you go.

And of course there is rake. If you played half a million hands, you have paid a lot of rake, and you might actually be winning, was it not for this rake. Moreover if you played half a million hands in just 6 month, you might also have played to long sessions and not always been on your A-game. Or you have been playing Zoom games, which are very reg infested and therefore more difficult to beat, especially since also here you first have to beat the rake.

At the end of the day you need to get over this idea, you are gods gift to poker, and if you are not winning, there must be some kind of faul play. This is just not, how the world works my friend. There are lots of players, who have put more time and effort into learning poker than you, and some might also be more talented.

As for MTTs I do beleive, they are easier to make money in, and this is part of the reason why, I have mostly become a tournament grinder myself. But again this is not because, a particular site is rigged. Its because, you pay less rake per hour, and maybe tournaments also appeal more to recreational players. But even with tournaments your ROI will decline, as you move out of the micros, since there will be less fish, and the regulars will be better on average.

 

[elizeuof]

You say that the complaints of bad players end up overshadowing the complaints of good players, who have better justifications and knowledge of the game, so because you do not try to present some of your complaints, perhaps you can help to explain better your point of view.

Based on the fact that you are playing poker online, against people from all over the world and at all skill levels, it is difficult to say that you are superior to the majority, and put yourself at such a level, unless you are in the ranking of greatest players in the world, and yet you won't win them all.

 

[Pokerpoet2]

Who from Pokerstars Is holding a gun to your head?
Insisting you play on their site?
Tell me who is forcing you to play on this crooked site and I will tear them apart personally.

When will people stop blaming Pokerstars for their own bad play? It's like saying I don't trust the Mirage Casino because I never win there or the Bellagio Casino is full of Suck-out players who couldn't win a damned hand without luck.

LUCK! that's the magic word, either you have it or you don't, and as in any game or sport there will always be an element of luck! How many times do you see minor football teams coming up through the ranks beating 1st division teams in the FA cup.
Not often but it happens, Luck! Pure unadulterated Luck!
But remember this there are 2 types of luck Good and Bad, and if you happen to be a fantastic Poker player who never loses a hand I put that down to Good luck.
Or how about a Player who pushes All-in with Ace ten and is called by Pocket Kings, The flop drops King/8/8 giving the Kings a boat then snatching victory away by dropping runner runner Aces on the turn and river, and don't say this never happens because I have been a witness to it.
So who has the good luck and who suffers from bad luck is all in the hands of the poker Gods.
Remember this when you are all-in with your Pocket pair thinking you are unbeatable because you happen to be the best player in the World.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

 

[Ron112355]

I still stay loyal to PokerStars but don’t know for how much longer. I am old school and like my poker pure. Stars and other sites are trying to become more like playing video games.
All this flash animation and gimmicks and some are even doing VR.
Don’t know if this is the right move for them but only time will tell.

 

[kraemer]

I've actually never seen a hand without a winner...


Pokersites only earn by collecting rake. I don't think that people will continue
if no one ever wins. So what's PS motive to stop people from winning ????

 

[Kenad_MNE]

lets be real, PS doesnt care who wins or lose, I also get this feeling, why always me , when I lose in coinflips near the final table... I guess more volume is key

 

[funnyhook3]

poker

Я играл во многих покер-румах и почти везде одинаковые, если я не умею играть, кто виноват.

Согласен, по сути все похожи, отличие только в интерфейсте и другой мелочи, мне вот приятно играть на покер старс

 

[funnyhook3]

Please tell me if you have any problems with paying money at poker stars? cheating by the administration or something else?

 

[jsnake716]

and it never stops. It pops up in the wrong threads, all over forums, on and on... it is rigged because I am great so if I don't win. Proof of cheating,


Well, if I was convinced a site was cheating, I would never play there again, it seems pretty simple to me. But at least every month , might be more often than that. It is always the same old tired argument. It just must be because I did win and now I don't,

I do not cut PokerStars any slack when it comes to game style and raising the rake every chance they get, I hate that I have to play with the stupid Aurora engine, which keeps my Processor working overtime if I have a couple sites with more tables running. I will criticize them but to think they are highlighting a medium stakes player and designing a program to make 1 player lose just seems to big of a stretch. PokerStars get paid no matter who wins the hand or who wins the MTT , so there is that. Have a great day and don't play if you are being cheated

 

[Johnny78B]

where did you red about spins 1x ?

That is absolutely lie. I like PS but I really do not like their offers and promotions now because it is worst then before. But if somebody says something that's should be proved I guess. I played a lot of spin and goes and average x was a way higher then 1

 

[Mm Kk 601]

I've never actually seen a hand without a winner ...


Poker sites only make money by collecting rake. I don't think people will continue
if nobody wins. So what is the PS motive to stop people from winning ????

I completely agree

 

[Suns of Beaches]

I am a strong poker player and Poker Stars is crooked as can be. I won FIRST place and Second place in tournaments with over 400 people each and I often get to the money.
Like the cash games however, once they see you are a winning player then you will feel like you are playing 3 6 limit.
I played over a half million hands with no heaters in a 6 month period. Was multi tabling of course.
If you think we are all just fish complaining then YOU just try to make some money on Stars and good luck. Unless you get a big tournament win there is no other way. The cash games are a joke and the tournaments are playing different now that I got a 2nd and first place win. I understand variance and bad beats are part of the game, but what happens on Poker Stars is clearly skullduggery.
I am very smart and far superior at games than most people. My USCF Chess Rating is very high and you can see my lightning chess rating is over 2300 !! Poker Stars is a set up to play like a slot machine and it is a real shame that they get away with this. Part of the problem is a lot of bad players complain and they discredit the complaints from good players who understand something is not right. Here is a link to one of my chess profiles, you can see my rating is over 2300 !! That is a very high lightning chess rating. My standard ratings are just as high. https://chess24.com/en/profile/suepokerstars

"I am so smart and so good but cant win on stars. Must be rigged then mimimi"

Go play some chess then.

 

[korbal29]

Let me tellyou something my friend: Most likely when you win its all about your talent and skills. You dont complain that those fishes donate to you so much money with bad calls etc...But when variation gest to you and you are running bad ,all of sudden you are screaming FOUL!. Pokerstars is a fix : they are out to get me and some others like you.
Now just answer 1 simple question : do you know how much pokestars is worth? 6-10 billion dollars. Why would they risk all that to rob you?
I dont know if you heard about absolutepoker?
THey got caught having superusers accounts and what happened to them? Out of business in a blink of an eye.
I have an advice to you my friend: when you are running bad, bad beat after bad beat: TAKE A BREAK, and believe me, if you are a good player,things will settle down for you

 

[AizenFalck]

Interesting topic. I read different opinions. And each opinion has its own truth. However, some of the messages, “then don’t play at Pokerstars or don’t play at all” are perplexing. And if a person loves poker, if he does not have the opportunity to play live, if a person wants to honestly win? Now about playing live and playing at Pokerstars. Winnings depend on the dealer and the random number generator program. What is a random number program, can it be falsified? Twisted up? Any program can be programmed to order, as required by the customer. When I lose 13 times in a row, AA loses, when 3 hours fall out of trash and there are no coincidences on the flop, when you constantly lose your new deposits, is this a falsification? Just do not say that a person plays poorly, experience in the game is sufficient. I and 2 other friends from the same region noticed one pattern that our game is on or off at the same time. 10% goes and 90% does not go. I don’t think that this could happen to us in live poker, but alas, in our country there is no live poker. It remains to live with the hope that Pokerstars will have enough interest only from the distribution of hands, will give us a chance to all win the game

You have an excellent presentation here of what really happens in poker stars and you are absolutely right, it is inevitable after a certain time to notice a pattern in which you lose, you play the way you play, I do not know if it is on purpose or There are bots destined for each person, or as you mentioned it for certain specific countries, I don't know how true the time is, but I can mention that it normally happens within the third and fourth hours of play. Same always happens to me, and it seems a lie but you are headed to lose, you play loose, you play aggressive or you play passive or you have what you think is the best hand at the table, you always get an unfortunate hand that ruins everything, example Sometimes you have three of aces flop, someone else throws all in, you of course call, and the last two cards make your three of a kind worth nothing, seeing as your winning percentage was greater than 87% and his opposing player 13% is immediately reversed and you lose. Chance? I don't think so, if you are a good player, you lose straight against major straight, lose full house against major full house, lose even poker against major poker, it's really incredible, what are the odds, like 1 in a million, and it usually happens to you not just once but consecutively, any good player can assure you, unfortunately the illusion of winning keeps you always playing at these poker sites that the only thing they do is give you little winnings and then take them all off at once.

 

[ChickenArise]

I dont play cash on PokerStars so I will just address tournaments with my 2 cents. Even the best players win on average about 1% of the tournaments they play. If you win 2% you are running uber hot.

When you play at PokerStars you are playing against the best online field in the world. It forces you to get better at the game or suffer the consequence.

If you are not up for the challenge then I suggest you play at GG or ACR where the level of play is not the best but if you do then dont cry when a donkey beats you with 38o. Believe it or not sometimes it is correct to call off or jam with this hand. If you dont know why, start there.

 

[barba332]

Hello people,pokerstars used to have more player traffic and many freerolls,now the room doesn`t offer much and it`s harder to be a winning player.You have to try other rooms.

 

[pipayura]

Pokerstars is a cheat and slot machine. This is a business that brings money to its owners, if this does not happen, then there will be no pokerstars.

 

[Cinhos_2000]

I like how you mention that bad players overshadow the complaints from good players when one of the arguments you use to justify you're right is that you are good at chess... Since you have a history of the millions and millions of hands you've played why don't you check them and see if there are any discrepancies there? I've honestly never seen any decent argument on how PokerStars could be rigged and neither have experienced anything to make me think that.

 

[fundiver199]

lets be real, PS doesnt care who wins or lose, I also get this feeling, why always me , when I lose in coinflips near the final table... I guess more volume is key

Exactly. PokerStars dont care, who cash in one of their 1,5$ 45 man turbo SnGs. Its just a big grinding wheel, which keep making them money, as long as people play. But when you are running bad over an extended period of time, as I did in my "challenge" here on CC, it can feel like, everything is set up against you. You always run into someone with a better pocket pair or a better kicker to his ace, your AK constantly lose to JJ and so on and so forth. But when you think rationally about it, you understand, that there is no reason at all for PokerStars to select some brasilian or russian grinder to win a few pennies at your expence

 

[ramdon p358]

You should consider whether you are a good player or not. PokerStars does not have x1 Spins, to be a winning player you have to study

 

[LitPavel]

About 10 years ago there was a hype with bots on microlimits in cash games but after the proceedings it turned out that it was done by some programmers from Russia and Ukraine. There are also people who gather in groups, that is, at the table 9 max sit 8 players accomplices, of course you will lose to them because they know each other's cards. I will not claim that there are no attackers who use the SOFTWARE now. Someone mentioned absolute poker I will remind you about full tilt poker which deceived its players and then was bought out by the PS. In other words, the current leaders of online poker have probably learned from the experience of their colleagues and will not ruin their already profitable business by deceiving players. I'm also 100 percent sure that all those who complain about foul play and cheating will never tell us how they won with a hand 24 hand AA, of course when you lose a strong hand to a hand that was garbage before the flop, it's a shame but when you win in a similar situation, you are happy and do not consider the game unfair.

Also please tell me all those who wrote here that he is a very strong poker player. How did you determine this, and what criteria would I like to use to find out my level as well)) Personally, I think a strong or professional player is someone who can read opponents and use it skillfully, can play any hand correctly, most profitable for themselves, can keep himself in hand and contrast his game, can analyze his game, etc. And of course a strong player would never write such a post without iron proof of his words. In fact I have a similar post here only about party poker))) And after a few months of playing, I'll tell you that I was completely wrong. I'm not a strong player but I strive for this, and any situation can be turned in your direction. In General, learn, hone your skills, and do not throw empty accusations, conduct investigations, give facts.

Good luck at the tables!!! Well, peace to all))

 

[dallam]

Pokersites in general like to push players in action. Pokersites in general also support big stacks and relatively aggressive playing-style more. I believe if you are up to improve your game, and also be able to think with the software's mind a bit, you can be profitable in long-time with a very smart bankroll-management.