GGPoker “SuperUser” hackers. Should we be concerned?

[duqnuk]

I’ve read the headlines about the statement GG poker made about that hacker “MoneyTaker69” that he was using some sort of hack that he could see the equity of all players incluind him before showdown.
Since GG its pretty much the biggest poker site online that puts all of US poker players in a very dangerous position.

Should we keep playing on GG?
Is PS safe from this “superuser” hack?

If they caught “MoneyTaker69” it surealy means that he’s not alone and theres more hackers out there.

GG made a statement that they “fix” the problem. But lets be real, any of you really believe that? Maybe they really fix this specific problem. But this is modern times, a new hack will appear in a really short period of time, specially when theres money involved.

I’m really considering in cashing out of GG.
What do you all thing about this?
Are you guys concerned about this or you think its a one time thing and we shoulnd be concerned specially those who play in low stakes?

 

[pentazepam]

Read all the threads on 2+2 Forum.

I wouldn't play there. Some things are seriously wrong.

 

[Gallarado777]

If you have even a little distrust of a poker site, the best thing is not to play there because you will lose and think that they are deceiving you so go to another site and play quietly without bad thoughts and worries, it will be calmer. I don't play there because there are a lot of people and where there are a lot of people there will always be hackers and hackers

 

[Station_Master]

Yes. I wouldn't play on GG at the moment.

 

[LordMan]

The GG Poker incident with MoneyTaker69 does raise some red flags. While they claim to have fixed the issue, the skepticism is understandable in the ever-evolving world of online gaming. It's a personal call, but if you're uneasy, consider cashing out for peace of mind. As for pokerstars, no system is entirely foolproof, but they haven't reported a similar breach.

 

[Queeniebee]

I feel it is fairer than Pokerstars as the amount of people I see lose when they have the best-starting hands in Pokerstars is getting very questionable even a pair of AA is more likely to hold all in on GG Poker than Pokerstars.

 

[G0930]

I’ve read the headlines about the statement GG poker made about that hacker “MoneyTaker69” that he was using some sort of hack that he could see the equity of all players incluind him before showdown.
Since GG its pretty much the biggest poker site online that puts all of us poker players in a very dangerous position.

Should we keep playing on GG?
Is PS safe from this “superuser” hack?

If they caught “MoneyTaker69” it surealy means that he’s not alone and theres more hackers out there.

GG made a statement that they “fix” the problem. But lets be real, any of you really believe that? Maybe they really fix this specific problem. But this is modern times, a new hack will appear in a really short period of time, specially when theres money involved.

I’m really considering in cashing out of GG.
What do you all thing about this?
Are you guys concerned about this or you think its a one time thing and we shoulnd be concerned specially those who play in low stakes?

There will always be people who try to hack into stuff...
No we are certainly not safe from such things on any site. But it's unlikely to encounter a super User cause this happens quite rarely cause security of the big pokerrooms is actually quite good

 

[Station_Master]

There will always be people who try to hack into stuff...
No we are certainly not safe from such things on any site. But it's unlikely to encounter a super User cause this happens quite rarely cause security of the big pokerrooms is actually quite good

How do you know this to be the case?

Are you not concerned that they only discovered this guy because it was so obvious. Anyone with a basic poker knowledge and a bit of discipline, with the same hack to see equities, could go undetected for years.

For me GGs response is not at all reassuring

 

[G0930]

How do you know this to be the case?

Are you not concerned that they only discovered this guy because it was so obvious. Anyone with a basic poker knowledge and a bit of discipline, with the same hack to see equities, could go undetected for years.

For me GGs response is not at all reassuring

But then you shouldn't play at any site cause this can happen anywhere

 

[pentazepam]

But then you shouldn't play at any site cause this can happen anywhere

It can AND it does.

Bots, Superusers, and RTA and RTS.

Over 10 years ago this happened on a site run by the Swedish Government/State: https://www.google.se/search?q=svenska+spel+bot+poker

And we also have this recently: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/...cial-discussion-thread-1112097/index1543.html

The Ipoker Network is also infamous for more or less allowing bots: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/.../ipoker-plo-bots-cash-game-50-1000-a-1812200/

 

[Station_Master]

But then you shouldn't play at any site cause this can happen anywhere

Well only the sites that send the all-in equity to the client before players are all-in

 

[G0930]

Well only the sites that send the all-in equity to the client before players are all-in

Not sure which sites do IT that way.
But let me assure you hacker always find a weakness.
So yes also at the sites which don't send allin equity to the client before allin are at risk.
At any time .
Welcome to the Internet

 

[Cooking]

I didn't know about the story, but I'm not going to stop to play on GGpoker only because of this. I play poker for many years and I probably already read cases of cheating in almost all rooms, but it's usually an isolated case. Like I don't trust any room 100%, but I trust enough to keep playing on them. But if you're insecure about playing on GG, maybe the best idea for now is to play in another room.

 

[Max Defensor]

Pretty sure every single pokersite has superusers, especially the new ones. I would be worried if I were a pro.

 

[mr.fers_one]

the story is unpleasant, but there is no reason to panic and there are no drastic decisions. the hacker was identified and blocked, the system will be improved, since the room still cares about its status. Will there be others? They'll probably be there. this story is somewhat reminiscent of the slot machine, immediately the chips and wire were used for hacking, then highlighted... and still they are still standing in the casino. so with poker, there will always be bots and those who want to hack the system, and there will always be those who will solve this problem.

 

[Misanthrop]

As a software developer, I find this ridiculous. Poker is a super easy game to keep clean from such problems. The only information that any client needs to know is their own cards, the table cards and bet and fold actions by each player. No other information like equity or whatever needs to be send to any client before the hand is finished... This is super strange to me.

 

[fundiver199]

I find it very disappointing, that the current industry leader had so bad security, that this could happen. Perhaps this is a result of them putting to much energy into having a fancy and "fun" user interface at the cost of fundamentals like security. Personally I would not play on GG Poker at the moment, and I would also strongly consider withdrawing my funds. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Ruslan L]

This incident proves that GG is responsible for the safety of players. They discovered the scammer and did not hide this information. I will still continue to play on GG, but at the same time, I will not keep a lot of money there.

 

[gravii2011]

There are scammers in every poker room. So GGPoker is just a regular room.

 

[s0ftdumps]

what would be wild to reverse engineer one of these Apps. I'm sure all data transfers would be encrypted ontop of that. I feel like such capability could make way more money in the would outside of poker.

 

[Funtast]

There are scammers in every poker room. So GGPoker is just a regular room.

Lol. GGPoker is full of sh!t by ANY mean. It´s a botters and hackers paradise. The funniest things are the leaderboards. Totally bot infested. I think the only reason GGPoker is not doing enough against it is, that they are too busy with their own rigging

 

[Marshmalo1994]

Are you guys concerned about this or you think its a one time thing and we shoulnd be concerned specially those who play in low stakes?

To me it's a matter of odds. What are the odds that these hackers play the same games that I play, in my table. So I'll play as usual, at least this kind of activity increase significatively.

 

[cmds]

Lol. It happened to me smthin very weird . I was in an tournament ko and i wanted to go in the lobby to see what my sold is. My sold was bigger that should be.( exactly with the last place) . After 1 hand more i lost with 2 pairs AK on flop . Ond player going all in with 9 high against my AK 2 pairs guess what?? Runner runner 9 9 he get three of a kind. Then i was like wtf even my sold was credited 1 min before to be eliminated? That happend today at pokdrstars in 20000$ kotourn

 

[antonis32123]

GGpoker admitted this problem , i guess this is the very first step to deal with these superuser or bot problems , in a better way . they knew it but they tried to cover it at the beginning i think . this flaw in their system , i read it , it seems very strange , a major poker room to have such a problem . and why the f** do they calculate the all in odds before the player make a decision for such a move , and why they do not protect or encrypt this info in their software , so easy to manipulate a software

 

[_wchen]

As a software developer, I find this ridiculous. Poker is a super easy game to keep clean from such problems. The only information that any client needs to know is their own cards, the table cards and bet and fold actions by each player. No other information like equity or whatever needs to be send to any client before the hand is finished... This is super strange to me.

The more i think about it the more i feel that this has to be expected. Malicious intentions, lazy/cheap engineering ("agile" :-D) and security by obscurity resonate and leverage exponentially in this domain. slap in some rubbish proprietary code. "deactivate" the "show_equity()" clientside and comment out some javascript debug statements and whatnot. :-D Note that im only halfway serious! If the failure i can imagine is only 10% real its still a nightmare. im missing transparency in a lot of spots here. some more insights in the licencing process, requirements, security audit procedures and results would be "appreciated". proof>trust.